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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

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    I've never had an issue with mistreatment by men.
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    Really!

    Never every once?

    Have you every been mistreated by women (snide comments to barriers for advancement)?

    PS...no requirement to name names.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Maybe that is an extreme example, so lets try another. Lets say a female employee of mine claims she was sexually harassed by some of my male employee, but fails to tell me anything more than that. At that point every man that works for me is a suspect of wrong doing and all because she failed to give me names.
    Well, if Warren claimed sexual harassment, which is an actionable claim and could cause you as employer to lose lots of money if allowed to continue and that resulted in such a claim, you'd have a point.

    The claim that an institution, almost exclusively dominated by men for centuries, retains elements of the good old boys club it has been for centuries, is not an actionable claim, even if proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It is baffling, to say the least.

    There's a war on women. It's apparently everywhere. It's even in the hallowed Halls of Congress! And the Republicans are the ones who declared a war on women! I'm a good Democratic woman...I'm going to say that men mistreat me, and pinch me, and shut me out, and make me feel like a second class citizen, even in my job as a US Senator. Of course, I'll only say it happens, but I won't back it up, or mention names, or even imply where and when this is happening. And you, good foot soldier, will believe me, and you will advance my political agenda of pandering to women who believe that men are at war with us!
    I notice what's missing here is any actual quote of Warren making these shocking claims....

    And of course many women, including my wife, would claim some middle ground between "men are at war with us" and "workplaces in America, and especially institutions like the Senate and every major institution of real power in America, treat women as equals in every way."

    Seriously, is anyone actually surprised by what she says, or doubts for a second that the Senate in particular and Washington D.C. in general is still in many ways one of the holdouts for the good old boys club that has ruled the U.S. for centuries, at least in part? Just look at the rosters - the numbers speak for themselves...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I notice what's missing here is any actual quote of Warren making these shocking claims....

    And of course many women, including my wife, would claim some middle ground between "men are at war with us" and "workplaces in America, and especially institutions like the Senate and every major institution of real power in America, treat women as equals in every way."
    Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?

    By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand. Do you know anything about this topic?
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yup. And if she refuses to name any names, then the claim gets tossed into the circular file.
    What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

    The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

    The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.
    A lot of women get whiny about it. Hell, it didn't offend me when I was young and pretty that men in my companies found me to be young and pretty. It also never offended me that men thought I was frailer than they are - I am. I'm not as strong as most men. I don't get offended when men think I don't know anything about sports - they love me even more when I shock them with what I know.

    And to your point, men are rude to each other, and women are rude to each other. BFD. Sticks and stones, and all that. It's not the country's biggest problem, contrary to what some would have us believe.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?

    By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand. Do you know anything about this topic?
    Still no quotes of Warren... Rough transcript by me:

    Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
    Warren: Yes.
    Q: Can you elaborate?
    W: Nope?
    Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
    W: I've said all I'm going to say.
    Q: Surprising to you?
    W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I jus think that's powerfully important.
    Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
    W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

    So I'm reading that and don't see any inflammatory claims about being pinched, etc. In fact, I can't see a thing she said that's remotely surprising or that isn't accepted by about 99% of the population as a 'no duh' kind of comment on the obvious.

    At the end she hits the talking points, like every other politician in all of history, forever and ever, does in these kinds of things, but if that's the problem, let's just say this is a bash Warren thread and be done with it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Still no quotes of Warren... Rough transcript by me:

    Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
    Warren: Yes.
    Q: Can you elaborate?
    W: Nope?
    Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
    W: I've said all I'm going to say.
    Q: Surprising to you?
    W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I jus think that's powerfully important.
    Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
    W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

    So I'm reading that and don't see any inflammatory claims about being pinched, etc. In fact, I can't see a thing she said that's remotely surprising or that isn't accepted by about 99% of the population as a 'no duh' kind of comment on the obvious.

    At the end she hits the talking points, like every other politician in all of history, forever and ever, does in these kinds of things, but if that's the problem, let's just say this is a bash Warren thread and be done with it.
    Did the words "By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand." not make sense? Let me try it again.

    The claims of specific actions by these terrible men in Congress - pinching, unwanted hugging, etc. - were made by - guess who? - Senator Gillibrand.

    Now, if you can find a post from me where I said that Senator Warren made those specific claims, let me know.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

    The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.
    That's all true, but what's the point. It's hard to believe anyone living in the 21st century can't grudgingly accept the obvious, that in a place like the Senate, and all the power structures around it, that women have a tougher row to hoe than men, for reasons that go back hundreds of years of male domination of every position of real power in the U.S. Admitting the obvious is hardly something extraordinary.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Did the words "By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand." not make sense? Let me try it again.

    The claims of specific actions by these terrible men in Congress - pinching, unwanted hugging, etc. - were made by - guess who? - Senator Gillibrand.

    Now, if you can find a post from me where I said that Senator Warren made those specific claims, let me know.
    You made two statements. 1) "Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?"

    And so since you quoted her making no claims, and this was a thread about her interview on CNN, I typed out a rough transcript. Republicans not mentioned. Perhaps you meant in some other interview or speech that you haven't quoted?

    And on the post I quoted from, it might have avoided some confusion if, when you mentioned those claims in a thread about Sen. Warren, you said that you weren't referring to Warren, but to your unique summary of claims made by Gillibrand. I don't recall reading or hearing either woman say there was a "war on women...even in the hallowed halls of Congress" but maybe she wrote that or said it in an interview. Maybe Gillibrand also said the Senators "mistreat" her and "shut [her] out" but I don't recall that either. If you'd summarized claims actually made by Gillibrand, that would have helped as well. In fact, she said about most of the comments about her being fat, and getting told "I like my girls chubby" that they were by old men, relics from the stone age (my own summary) who didn't know better, which is different altogether than claiming a 'war on women' by Senators who "mistreat' me and 'shut me out.'

    But, OK, I was confused. You weren't referring in any way to or about Warren!

    Now what part of what Warren actually said - the point of this thread - is troubling, etc.?
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