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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Just so we're clear here, you somehow, incredibly believe Warren has some kind of obligation to go PUBLIC and make accusations on the record with the press of instances of sexism, or she is condoning the practice? It's so absurd I can't believe you're expecting anyone to buy it. If someone gave my wife that advice I'd have to think the person was either 1) utterly and completely ignorant of the real world, or 2) wanted to purposely undermine her career. Whatever the case, I'd sure as hell tell my wife to ignore everything that person said about advice for women in the workplace, which wouldn't be necessary because she knows far better than I what awful advice that is.

    Just to point out the obvious, often the best way to deal with sexist co-workers is to confront the worker, directly, when the bad behavior occurs. The absolute worst way is to go whining to HR or the boss about every perceived or real sexist slight in the workplace. If you're in a male dominated field, and Warren has spent a career in such fields, and cannot PERSONALLY handle the vast majority of such incidents, you need to get a new career, or at least a new job.

    There are exceptions to everything and behavior that veers into sexual HARASSMENT can't be ignored and may require legal action, and obviously some instances or repeated instances of sexism require drastic action, but to assume that there is ONE option here for Warren - go public with names, dates, times details - is just unbelievably boneheaded. The root of most sexism is a fundamental lack of respect for women as professionals (in this case). The best way to gain respect and deal with sexist coworkers is to do your job competently, stand up for yourself when needed, and have enough common sense to pick your battles and reserve them for things that matter. Option 1 just is NOT to go public to the press/boss/HR.

    BTW, did a simple Google search, and this came up: 3 Reasons Why It Pays to Not Let Sexist Comments Slide - Forbes

    It's obviously not the only advice or the best advice for all circumstances, but the gist of is summarized in this sentence: "Well, it turns out that there are three very good reasons why you should confront the perpetrator of a sexist comment." It's obviously good advice.
    Nope. I think she should just continue what she's doing....telling other women to fight against sexism while doing nothing about it herself. Then her hypocrisy is on full parade.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How would you expect her to answer in a way that's honest but doesn't sidetrack her from her primary goals?
    Equality among the sexes isn't one of her primary goals?
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nope. I think she should just continue what she's doing....telling other women to fight against sexism while doing nothing about it herself. Then her hypocrisy is on full parade.
    What advice did she give that she's not following herself? Not what you've made up and attributed to her, but what she actually SAID.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What advice did she give that she's not following herself? Not what you've made up and attributed to her, but what she actually SAID.
    Oh, no advice at all. She's following the new Democratic Party chant. "Speak out against sexism and inequality....just don't do anything about it". It's a sure winning strategy.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By the way, you do know she was asked if women were treated differently, and that's why she said that, right? I want to make sure that if you say something really really stupid, you say it knowing all the facts.
    That isn't actually what happened.

    Gillibrand has been claiming that she has been mistreated by male members of Congress. Warren was asked if she has experienced the same treatment (not women in general). She said she had, and when asked for details, she declined to give them.

    Mr. Nick didn't say anything stupid at all in that post.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Looney projection and hypocritical behavior is always hilarious to most people. Keep it coming.
    There you go, more of the same. Funny stuff!
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh, no advice at all. She's following the new Democratic Party chant. "Speak out against sexism and inequality....just don't do anything about it". It's a sure winning strategy.
    Right, you've made up Warren's position, then called her a hypocrite for not following advice she never gave. As I suspected.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That isn't actually what happened.

    Gillibrand has been claiming that she has been mistreated by male members of Congress. Warren was asked if she has experienced the same treatment (not women in general). She said she had, and when asked for details, she declined to give them.

    Mr. Nick didn't say anything stupid at all in that post.
    Not quite. Here's the exchange:

    Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
    Warren: Yes.
    Q: Can you elaborate?
    W: Nope?
    Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
    W: I've said all I'm going to say.
    Q: Surprising to you?
    W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I just think that's powerfully important.
    Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
    W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, you've made up Warren's position, then called her a hypocrite for not following advice she never gave. As I suspected.
    So she isn't all about equality between the sexes? Interesting. That isn't what she told her constituents.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not quite. Here's the exchange:
    "Similar experiences". Similar to Gillibrand.
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