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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tell the kool-aid drinkers will ya? Their little red mustache's and blank looks force me to play the part of "Captain Obvious" and the suit itches like hell.
    I'm a little confused because of the positions you've held in the past: the "kool-aid" drinkers are the people coming out against Warren, right?

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm a little confused because of the positions you've held in the past: the "kool-aid" drinkers are the people coming out against Warren, right?
    You're a smart chap... you make an educated guess.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

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    It sounds like she's going to lie about being an indian, again.
    My wife is more indian than she is, she just doesn't claim some kind of favored status.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think you mean "Mika" Brzezinski? She's on MSNBC, not Fox News, and she was talking about this yesterday on Morning Joe and agreeing with the rest of the gang that Warren & Gillibrand need to name names. Mika herself brought action against MSNBC a few years ago at the risk of alienating her employers, but she knew naming names was the only thing to do.
    I did mean Mika. I know she's not on Fox. I wasn't just taking a shot at Fox. I am just saying that there are plenty of women in the media who will not run another woman's side in the case of a sexual harassment... even if these women name names. They will play politics, and men in politics sexually harassing women in politics is an obvious political story.

    And let's not be ****ing dumb as women. We should all realize that naming names in the case of rape and sexual harassment has earned women negative attention and personal attacks, accusations of lying and wanting attention, defending the male in question, blurring the issue, and saying " let's wait until all the facts come out," etc.

    Even Morning Joe Scarborough himself took that stance when Woody Allen's daughter publicly accused him of raping her as a kid. Many people here on DP didn't congratulate her on her bravery. You're expectation that Elizabeth Warren would be treated like a hero for naming names is false. Our society and justice system isn't set up that way. I personally think it's highly likely Woody Allen did sexually assault his daughter, but she will never justice if true, because there is no evidence or proof. People want and expect evidence, not simply naming names.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh, for gawd's sake, tres, it's not like she Vague-Booked a new Facebook update...

    "Am being treated by people for being a woman."
    "Oh, I'm sorry, who's doing it to you?"
    "It..it's not important."

    She was asked that question, and it's clear from her lack willingness to talk about it that if she hadn't been asked she never would have mentioned it. And despite your belief she needs to name names, did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, she has bigger fish to fry, and she feels an internal battle with her colleagues would detract from larger goals?

    Your reaction to this whole thing is really goofy.
    Yes, I know. It's A-okay for the Congress to have sexists in their ranks. It's just not okay when corporations or other businesses have sexists in their ranks. Senator Warren encourages women to fight sexism. She just doesn't want to do it herself. I guess leading by example isn't in her. I think the example she set here is "Ignore sexism". I wonder if her constituents will decide to do exactly as she is doing.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I did mean Mika. I know she's not on Fox. I wasn't just taking a shot at Fox. I am just saying that there are plenty of women in the media who will not run another woman's side in the case of a sexual harassment... even if these women name names. They will play politics, and men in politics sexually harassing women in politics is an obvious political story.

    And let's not be ****ing dumb as women. We should all realize that naming names in the case of rape and sexual harassment has earned women negative attention and personal attacks, accusations of lying and wanting attention, defending the male in question, blurring the issue, and saying " let's wait until all the facts come out," etc.

    Even Morning Joe Scarborough himself took that stance when Woody Allen's daughter publicly accused him of raping her as a kid. Many people here on DP didn't congratulate her on her bravery. You're expectation that Elizabeth Warren would be treated like a hero for naming names is false. Our society and justice system isn't set up that way. I personally think it's highly likely Woody Allen did sexually assault his daughter, but she will never justice if true, because there is no evidence or proof. People want and expect evidence, not simply naming names.
    Woody Allen was on the hairy edge of an illegal act of pedophilia. I hear he's actually still with that girl. What a disgusting character he is. He does make good movies though.

    I see it this way. The next time Senator Warren encourages women to stand up against sexism, even at the risk of alienating their employers and co-workers, her own behavior needs to be remembered. She has a chance to expose it in the Congress, and if it's Republicans, it will affirm the comments she made about Republicans waging war on women. That would not only be sheer political brilliance, it would help Democrats all over the country. The fact that she refuses to 1, stand up to them, and 2, name names only makes me think she's weak, or these are Democrats, or she's making it up.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Where did I say "prevalent?" I don't know one way or the other. And it's difficult for women to walk the tightrope at work when confronted with sexism, and there are many possible responses to it. Ignore minor cases, address some cases with the person, address some with management, if it gets into sexual harassment, file formal complaints, file charges, lawsuits, quit, etc. There is no one right way, it will depend on all kinds of factors from the details of the incident, whether it can be proved, etc.

    If I thought you had ANY interest in a rational conversation I'd do so, but when you presume that Warren's ONLY options are to 1) Lie, or 2) to retain her integrity, go full on scorched earth with public accusations against individual Senators, you obviously just want to bash Warren. It's an insane expectation of her, or any other woman dealing with sexism at work.
    I never suggested she lie. I am saying she should out them.

    I'll remember this the next time she's stumping and tells other women to stand up to sexism. She isn't. She's a piss poor leader and a hypocrite expecting other people to do it, but not doing it herself.
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