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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wouldn't you think a vocal person like Senator Warren would want to expose the sexists in Congress?
    Actually, unless there is HD video of each incident (and perhaps even WITH such video) I can't imagine why anyone would make public accusations of anything other than physical abuse, or extreme verbal abuse with many eye witnesses. There are many, major, serious reasons NOT to and very few if any advantages in doing so unless the activity is legally actionable.

    I've said it before - unless you are burning bridges on your way out the door, women let the kind of 'sexism' recounted by Gillibrand (if that's what we assume happened) roll off their backs. I'd be happy to discuss that in more detail, but it's clear this is a "Bash Warren!" thread, so there's no point.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She needs to put up names or more details if she expects any thinking person to believe her. It sounds like she's whining.
    So, when asked a direct yes or no question, she answered with the shortest possible answer - "Yes." Care to elaborate? "Nope." That's "whining?" What is an example of not-whining?

    I'm still unclear what you think her third option was: 1) lie, 2) full metal scorched earth, or 3)_________________.

    She promotes the idea that Republicans are sexist while at the same time claiming that she is a victim of sexism in Congress, but when pressed for names or details, she won't give them. Either she's lying and this is a political ploy, or the sexists are people she wants to protect - and somehow I doubt any Republicans are on that list.

    But be partisan and believe her. I don't accept a politician's word as the gospel. Most people don't either.
    I'll keep this short. She said, yes, she was treated differently. That =/= "I am a VICTIM"

    And I just love these things in the same post: "she's lying" OR "the sexists are people she wants to protect" and "doubt any republicans are on that list" and more paired with "BUT BE A PARTISAN AND BELIEVE HER."

    What we're asked to believe is one or more members of the Senate at some point in time treated her differently, presumably sexism, minor or major, since she was elected. I can't think of an adult person not blinded by partisan hatred of Warren who would find that claim any harder to believe than saying, "John Boehner likes to drink alcohol." It's why this whole thread is so fascinating.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I suppose, but what's "the real thing." She didn't say yes to a question, "Have you been sexually harassed" so no reason or support for that kind of leap.
    What's kind of funny is clearly Warren didn't want to make a big deal out of this - hence, after the topic was introduced in the form of a direct question, the "Yes" "Nope" "I said all I'm going to say" responses followed by a longer one that is politician-side-step of the issue.

    I've been thinking hard about this, and I've finally concluded after much deliberation that whole thing is a thin excuse to bash a prominent and apparently not liked liberal.

    Also, too, I'm sure CNN and the reporter are pleased. Bunch of people clicking on a non-story is a "news" organization WIN!
    Let me try it this way.
    "the real thing" is actual sexual harassment.
    As you've seen, "the feigned thing" would be holding a door open or, frankly, any criticism of her.
    Since she won't say, Warren could have meant something like either one or she could be fos entirely.
    Either way it works as a play to both the anger of the feministas or to the empathy of women in general.
    Since she never divulged any supporting information we'll never know.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Actually, unless there is HD video of each incident (and perhaps even WITH such video) I can't imagine why anyone would make public accusations of anything other than physical abuse, or extreme verbal abuse with many eye witnesses. There are many, major, serious reasons NOT to and very few if any advantages in doing so unless the activity is legally actionable.

    I've said it before - unless you are burning bridges on your way out the door, women let the kind of 'sexism' recounted by Gillibrand (if that's what we assume happened) roll off their backs. I'd be happy to discuss that in more detail, but it's clear this is a "Bash Warren!" thread, so there's no point.
    Okay, I got you now. In your opinion, sexism is prevalent among the politicians in DC but we need to just ignore it because boys will be boys. It's okay that neither female Senator wants to give details. Let's all just look the other way but cheer those sexist men on when they tell women that they don't need to put up with sexism while they're out pandering for votes. Thanks for your input.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, I got you now. In your opinion, sexism is prevalent among the politicians in DC but we need to just ignore it because boys will be boys. It's okay that neither female Senator wants to give details. Let's all just look the other way but cheer those sexist men on when they tell women that they don't need to put up with sexism while they're out pandering for votes. Thanks for your input.
    Where did I say "prevalent?" I don't know one way or the other. And it's difficult for women to walk the tightrope at work when confronted with sexism, and there are many possible responses to it. Ignore minor cases, address some cases with the person, address some with management, if it gets into sexual harassment, file formal complaints, file charges, lawsuits, quit, etc. There is no one right way, it will depend on all kinds of factors from the details of the incident, whether it can be proved, etc.

    If I thought you had ANY interest in a rational conversation I'd do so, but when you presume that Warren's ONLY options are to 1) Lie, or 2) to retain her integrity, go full on scorched earth with public accusations against individual Senators, you obviously just want to bash Warren. It's an insane expectation of her, or any other woman dealing with sexism at work.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Blame Yahoo. I quoted their story.

    You can also download CNN, and Wapo, and Salon, and any number of the other outlets that ran the same story...

    No, it's a male-female issue, unless you don't know what this thread is about? She never said she was treated differently because she was a Democrat. Did she? Did Gillibrand say that? No they did not. So it's only a left-right issue because, well to be honest, the posters on this board on the left ran to her defense, while the ones on the right didn't run to her defense.

    She needs to put up names or more details if she expects any thinking person to believe her. It sounds like she's whining. She promotes the idea that Republicans are sexist while at the same time claiming that she is a victim of sexism in Congress, but when pressed for names or details, she won't give them. Either she's lying and this is a political ploy, or the sexists are people she wants to protect - and somehow I doubt any Republicans are on that list.

    But be partisan and believe her. I don't accept a politician's word as the gospel. Most people don't either.
    Oh, for gawd's sake, tres, it's not like she Vague-Booked a new Facebook update...

    "Am being treated by people for being a woman."
    "Oh, I'm sorry, who's doing it to you?"
    "It..it's not important."

    She was asked that question, and it's clear from her lack willingness to talk about it that if she hadn't been asked she never would have mentioned it. And despite your belief she needs to name names, did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, she has bigger fish to fry, and she feels an internal battle with her colleagues would detract from larger goals?

    Your reaction to this whole thing is really goofy.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    If she doesn't like how she's treated and won't do anything about it (name names), then she has the choice to leave and do something else. All this is mountain made out of a mole hill. This entire thread is silly.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If she doesn't like how she's treated and won't do anything about it (name names), then she has the choice to leave and do something else.
    Or b)focus on larger priorities while she works within the Senate.

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    All this is mountain made out of a mole hill. This entire thread is silly.
    No ****.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Or b)focus on larger priorities.

    No ****.
    Tell the kool-aid drinkers will ya? Their little red mustache's and blank looks force me to play the part of "Captain Obvious" and the suit itches like hell.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are missing

    A) the desire by Warren to gain legitimacy and support through claim of membership in a liberal-preferred identity group built around a history of victimhood

    matched with

    B) the inability to back up the claim.




    huh..... now why does this sound familiar....
    Yep that about sums it up perfectly.

    Something like:

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    So vote for poor little me.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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