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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, first you'd have to define what proof you'd accept, and what constitutes "serious"....
    No, I don't think so. All you have to do is show a case where significant fraud was actually found that is verifiable. No one should accept talking head said there was. But a clear case with documented evidence. To my knowledge no such example exists.

    And let's not forget republicans actually stated the purpose was voter suppression. Democrats did have to do that.

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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I don't think so. All you have to do is show a case where significant fraud was actually found that is verifiable. No one should accept talking head said there was. But a clear case with documented evidence. To my knowledge no such example exists.

    And let's not forget republicans actually stated the purpose was voter suppression. Democrats did have to do that.
    Can we see what is reported after the election? Or do I have to show one before the election for you to even consider that this is a bad idea?

    And what the hell are you talking about Republican stated purpose? Please at least try to put together a coherent sentence and thought.
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wonder if anyone will ever actually prove serious fraud or continue with the maybe's and could be's?
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We had a guy in the Phoenix area just get caught on a security camera dropping off a box of hundreds of ballots.

    Arizona primary ballot box stuffing caught on tape

    You can't accuse him of doing anything wrong because maybe he was just dropping off ballots from his family or something but it sure looks a lot like "harvesting" at face value.
    Sounds like Arizona's laws are a bit lax, too. California lets you drop of someone else's mail-in ballot at the registrar's office, but they won't accept it unless the voter has signed the envelope.

    So far there have been no reports of fraud within this system.
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Sounds like Arizona's laws are a bit lax, too. California lets you drop of someone else's mail-in ballot at the registrar's office, but they won't accept it unless the voter has signed the envelope.

    So far there have been no reports of fraud within this system.
    Out of curiosity, what do they verify the signature against?

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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, what do they verify the signature against?
    My guess would be the voter registration form they have on file. People going to the polls also have to print their names in a ledger and sign it.
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We had a guy in the Phoenix area just get caught on a security camera dropping off a box of hundreds of ballots.

    Arizona primary ballot box stuffing caught on tape

    You can't accuse him of doing anything wrong because maybe he was just dropping off ballots from his family or something but it sure looks a lot like "harvesting" at face value.
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, what do they verify the signature against?
    The absolute non verifiable promise that this is their signature....
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    Re: What could go wrong? Volunteers go door-to-door ‘ballot harvesting’ in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    My guess would be the voter registration form they have on file. People going to the polls also have to print their names in a ledger and sign it.
    At the poll I have to show ID and sign the roll book before I get a ballot. If someone has already voted using my name I can verify the signature right there. With a mail in ballot, however, I probably won't even know if someone else has submitted one in my name and won't be able to verify the signature unless someone reports the discrepancy and contacts me. While a mail in ballot envelope needs to be signed the ONLY verification I'm aware of is that the ballot is mailed to my registered address.

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