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Shooting at Canadian Parlament

Canada needs more gun control. Canada has a gun culture.
 
But, but, but, there are such good gun control measures in place.
 
They have failed so Canada must introduce more. They simply don't have enough government yet to prevent these tragedies.










nice avatar, btw
 
Quag said:
Bolded is the problem.
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Apparently there was enough information to remove his passport. There might be new laws in place that could lead to greater protective custody,bth foor the intended terrorist and the possible victims.
As to shooting them a day sooner, yeah that would be nice and soem good people would be alive today but how do you know when to shoot someone 1 day before they commit an act of terrorism?
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That was just wishful thinking.
 
rcart76 said:
CJ

Why are you taking a tragedy like this to attack Obama on a race related issue.

This is so beneath you my man.
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It was in response to a partisan attack on Canada and its handling of the situation. It was designed to shut down the politics in a thread where none should be.
 
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Grant said:
Apparently there was enough information to remove his passport. There might be new laws in place that could lead to greater protective custody,bth foor the intended terrorist and the possible victims.That was just wishful thinking.
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See post 249.
To remove the passport the minister need only be of the opinion that such action is necessary for the national security of Canada or another country. It is not even close to the same level of proof necessary to incarcerate someone.
 
Mason66 said:
The only thing I hear about is the US. Why don't we hear anything about what Canada is doing, and yes it was a serious question.
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Maybe you need to stop watching FOX. LOL
 
Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

Mexico dodn't exist before 1810. You knew THIS, right?
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Ganesh said:
You need to read up on your own history apdst. Mexico did indeed exist in 1846, when the US invaded the fledgling nation in order to achieve the goal of more valuable land, and an expansion of the nation at the expensive of a lessor regarded neighbor. They were successful and took what was then about half the nation of Mexico. That's one of the reasons those south of the border don't seem as friendly as you might imagine when you visit.

It is quite an irony today that the issue of Mexican migrants has been such in the news, when in fact, they are infiltrating what was once their own country.
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apst was correct, Mexico was Spanish territory in 1810, perhaps you should take your own advice.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was in response to a partisan attack on Canada and its handling of the situation. It was designed to shut down the politics in a thread where none should be.
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Okay fair enough. My fault :)
 
CanadaJohn said:
There are many people in this world, sadly, who are susceptible to this type of propaganda because of problems in their own lives where they lack the control they want and they seek out opportunities like this. The young man in Quebec who ran down the soldiers was having difficulty with custody/visitation with his child and I'm sure that was a contributing factor in his radicalization. In Islam, the woman having such control over a man and his child is unheard of and may be part of what was attractive to him. We'll never know for sure, but with the level of mental illness in the world there will always be ready recruits to such dangers.
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Very much agree. Most of these 'active shooters' are losers in their own lives and looking for others to blame. High school shooters too.

Blaming women, former employers, the govt, etc. And then a cult or other group comes along and promises them a way to 'get back' at them or take control over their lives back.

They are just weak losers that act out in a very dangerous way.
 
CanadaJohn said:
He is Canada's "Sergeant at Arms", the man who controls the comings and goings into and out of the House of Commons. It's an old British Parliamentary tradition and part of the "pageantry" of Parliament. I, for one, didn't realize the Sergeant at Arms was indeed armed and able to protect Parliament in such a way. As Canadians, we basically pride ourselves in our places of government being very open and accessible by the general public and this may make that less so but I'm certainly glad this man was able to take down the terrorist before he got any further. I also didn't realize that security that protects entry into the Parliamentary buildings in Ottawa are unarmed, even though they are there to ensure that no one enters the buildings armed. I'm pretty sure that won't continue into the future.
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Thanks...

We had a shooting at a tax office here in New Zealand a few months ago and the governments answer was to put unarmed guards at the entrance to tax offices.

Seems a rather stupid response but it apparently has made a lot of people feel better from the comments that I hear. I let them keep their illusion of safety...
 
clownboy said:
apst was correct, Mexico was Spanish territory in 1810, perhaps you should take your own advice.
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The original inference was if a certain group was already in place before the current regime came around, then maybe they have some rights, and should not just be told to assimilate. This applies to French Canada, and also to Latinos who were long resident in what is now the south west US, as part of the Spanish Empire, and then for 30 odd years as an independent nation.

They were indeed "there first", in that some could claim a couple of centuries of residence, including the colonial period, and most certainly the three decades as an independent nation, at a time when the US did not extend that far west. They were well established when the US invaded and took over in 1848.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Maybe you need to stop watching FOX. LOL
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FOX is giving excellent coverage over what happened in Canada, with live feed from Canadian contributors and politicians. I've watched the major US Networks out of curiosity and FOX appears to be the best.
 
GRC said:
Canada needs more gun control. Canada has a gun culture.
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If we had US laws, he probably would have had an M-14 and a 1000 rounds of ammo. He apparently had a single shot rifle.
 
Ganesh said:
If we had US laws, he probably would have had an M-14 and a 1000 rounds of ammo. He apparently had a single shot rifle.
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It's odd, despite the differing gun laws, that the Canadian terrorists have been shot dead while US terrorists in similar cases are still alive. I prefer the Canadian response.
 
Lursa said:
Very much agree. Most of these 'active shooters' are losers in their own lives and looking for others to blame. High school shooters too.

Blaming women, former employers, the govt, etc. And then a cult or other group comes along and promises them a way to 'get back' at them or take control over their lives back.

They are just weak losers that act out in a very dangerous way.
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I tend to agree with you both. Religion is just a handy tool here for those with deep psychological issues. I'd bet also that ISIS is little more than a grab bag of dysfunction, with few there even having much of a grasp of the actual religion of Islam.
 
Ganesh said:
I tend to agree with you both. Religion is just a handy tool here for those with deep psychological issues. I'd bet also that ISIS is little more than a grab bag of dysfunction, with few there even having much of a grasp of the actual religion of Islam.
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Members of ISIS who have spoken out, and they have their Clerics, seem to know their religion quite well.

It's been the habit of liberals to claim that Islamists don't understand Islam but that has never been demonstrated. Perhaps Islam is just a ridiculous medieval religion, with no place in the modern world, taught to the otherwise uneducated, and has survived mainly through threats, coercion and violence. It's time to get real. Authentic Muslim Moderate Cleric: ISIS Is Following Established Islamic Jurisprudence

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/m...cks-on-u-s-schools-restaurants-in-aid-of-isis
 
Grant said:
Let's not forget that they are murdering other Muslims as well and when they go out to fight it is not necessarily against 'the West'. Canada also does not have any Ward Churchills in its schools or preachers preaching "God Damn Canada!"
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Yes, they are extremists. They will murder anyone why sympathizes with the west, even other Muslims.
 
Scrabaholic said:
The shooter was born in Canada. Care to insert the other foot?
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Is your bung hole that big ?

No Muslims, no mosque, very likely no conversion to Islam. No conversion to Islam equates to that there would be two more soldiers today standing post in Canada.
 
APACHERAT said:
Is your bung hole that big ?

No Muslims, no mosque, very likely no conversion to Islam. No conversion to Islam equates to that there would be two more soldiers today standing post in Canada.
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The accounts i've seen state that the nutjob in St-Jean was converted and radicalized by visiting internet sites. We live in a global world and evil people will use ALL means of communication to spread their hate. Unfortunately they are able to find fertile ground with some people.
 
APACHERAT said:
Is your bung hole that big ?

No Muslims, no mosque, very likely no conversion to Islam. No conversion to Islam equates to that there would be two more soldiers today standing post in Canada.
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Deport all Muslims then eh?
 
Quag said:
The accounts i've seen state that the nutjob in St-Jean was converted and radicalized by visiting internet sites. We live in a global world and evil people will use ALL means of communication to spread their hate. Unfortunately they are able to find fertile ground with some people.
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The internet is responsible for the large increase of nut jobs all over the world.

Earlier this year I saw an interview of two old geasers who use to work for DARPA who were responsible for creating the internet. One said in hindsight, the U.S. military should have kept the internet classified. It should have never been released to the public. You are aware that the internet was created for the U.S. Air Force ?
 
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