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Shooting at Canadian Parlament

EnigmaO01 said:
If this had been an organized attack as you say there would have been more casualties. Thank God this idiot apparently couldn't shoot better considering how man shots he got off. Must have been scared sheetless. Obviously no military training. Probably got rejected by the military. Sadly though he must have got lucky and hit the solider. ;-(
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Shot him in the back, a young reserve corporal who was honoured with the detail of guarding the War Memorial.
Sorry thing is, the shooter was already on the radar screen- both he and the guy a couple days ago in Quebec had had their passports confiscated so they couldn't take their radicalism abroad. I bet a little more attention is paid to those types in the future.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I wonder what his background is? I'll bet he's former military.
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Ex-RCMP. Had bodyguarded members of the Royal Family, according to the article.
 
Jetboogieman said:
CSIS will be getting some boys together to go knock on some doors as we speak.
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You legislators need to pass a law that will do more than take their passports. One thing I heard is there isn't much law enforcement can do with the existing laws.
 
Grand Mal said:
Shot him in the back, a young reserve corporal who was honoured with the detail of guarding the War Memorial.
Sorry thing is, the shooter was already on the radar screen- both he and the guy a couple days ago in Quebec had had their passports confiscated so they couldn't take their radicalism abroad. I bet a little more attention is paid to those types in the future.
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Lucky seems like a poor word to use. It doesn't do justice to the reserve corporal. My bad.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Lucky seems like a poor word to use. It doesn't do justice to the reserve corporal. My bad.
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No, you were right. That was the guy's lucky moment. A little later he met someone who was ready for him, though.
 
Jetboogieman said:
CSIS will be getting some boys together to go knock on some doors as we speak.
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Yeah, that was a wake-up call. After foiling a couple plots, I hope the cops weren't getting complacent. They'll be watching now, though.
 
Middleground said:
Sorry, Mason... that's is the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. A petty thief/rapist/murderer is not typically an ideologue.
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So that is your line in the sand. You will not anger somebody that thinks a certain thing?

Most thinking people don't care what people think, they just have to protect their way of life, which is what we need to do in this case.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
You seriously ask this question?

Canada is fighting terrorism and sending fighter aircraft to hit targets in Iraq. That's all it takes for these losers to target them.
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The only thing I hear about is the US. Why don't we hear anything about what Canada is doing, and yes it was a serious question.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
In some of the lower 48 they were before we took their land. And in case you didn't know Mexicans are in reality Native Americans. They only speak Spanish because of the Spaniards that came in the 1500's.
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His point was that the country of Mexico has an official date of 1810 whereas the US has a date of 1776.

I know 1810 is the date for Mexico because the 2010 Volkswagen Jettas here had a special emblem commemorating the anniversary.
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, it's getting close to over-reaction. In Vancouver they've got bomb-sniffing dogs in the transit stations.
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Okay, they are just reacting then.
It's a fine line, I guess. The public has to be told what's happening but locking down legislature buildings and military bases across the country feels like handing a victory to a low-functioning wannabe. If I'm right about the guy.
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Yeah, could be.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Don't these morons know these senseless attacks just increase the resolve of Canada and other countries to clean house of them?
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You answered the questions in your first three words. These are not the smartest people on the planet.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
The German soldiers probably fought harder when they learned we bombed totally civilian cities like Dresden.
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There is no evidence of that at all. In fact there were more Germans surrendering in 1945 before the war's official end.

Ideologues, whether it be Nazis, Islamists or Fascists, can always be defeated when the will is there.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yes, it is. They just straight up and said it.

Did you hear about the old guy, their version of the Attorney General,. I think, that shot dead one of the terrorists in their Capital Building?
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He is Canada's "Sergeant at Arms", the man who controls the comings and goings into and out of the House of Commons. It's an old British Parliamentary tradition and part of the "pageantry" of Parliament. I, for one, didn't realize the Sergeant at Arms was indeed armed and able to protect Parliament in such a way. As Canadians, we basically pride ourselves in our places of government being very open and accessible by the general public and this may make that less so but I'm certainly glad this man was able to take down the terrorist before he got any further. I also didn't realize that security that protects entry into the Parliamentary buildings in Ottawa are unarmed, even though they are there to ensure that no one enters the buildings armed. I'm pretty sure that won't continue into the future.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Don't these morons know these senseless attacks just increase the resolve of Canada and other countries to clean house of them?
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There are many people in this world, sadly, who are susceptible to this type of propaganda because of problems in their own lives where they lack the control they want and they seek out opportunities like this. The young man in Quebec who ran down the soldiers was having difficulty with custody/visitation with his child and I'm sure that was a contributing factor in his radicalization. In Islam, the woman having such control over a man and his child is unheard of and may be part of what was attractive to him. We'll never know for sure, but with the level of mental illness in the world there will always be ready recruits to such dangers.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
You legislators need to pass a law that will do more than take their passports. One thing I heard is there isn't much law enforcement can do with the existing laws.
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Actually, the young man who ran down the two soldiers in Quebec earlier was stopped when attempting to travel to Syria to join with the IS fighters. His passport was confiscated denying him the ability to travel. There are some that believe that contributed to his actions killing the soldier. He was under observation, but it's impossible to have 24/7 coverage of such people and until they do something illegal, you can't imprison them.
 
[video]http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2567253999/[/video]
 
CanadaJohn said:
Actually, the young man who ran down the two soldiers in Quebec earlier was stopped when attempting to travel to Syria to join with the IS fighters. His passport was confiscated denying him the ability to travel. There are some that believe that contributed to his actions killing the soldier. He was under observation, but it's impossible to have 24/7 coverage of such people and until they do something illegal, you can't imprison them.
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Maybe if they had taken his passport from him Hemingway would have shot up Congress instead of going off to fight in Spain?

Now don't get me wrong and I do not know the details of this case. But stopping someone from traveling is qualitatively sort of like imprisoning him. It restricts the persons' movement. Unless a crime has been committed?

I am not sure, but I think we've got this one wrong.
 
joG said:
Maybe if they had taken his passport from him Hemingway would have shot up Congress instead of going off to fight in Spain?

Now don't get me wrong and I do not know the details of this case. But stopping someone from traveling is qualitatively sort of like imprisoning him. It restricts the persons' movement. Unless a crime has been committed?

I am not sure, but I think we've got this one wrong.
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Canada has passed legislation around passports and travel for the purposes of fighting with terrorists. There's also legislation related to the withdrawal of passports and citizenship of those who are found to have traveled and fought in such "wars" if they are dual citizens or not natural born Canadians.

No laws are perfect - bottom line, however, is that no law made someone kill another person - that's always on the perpetrator.

To be clear, just in case it wasn't in my previous post, I support such laws.
 
Thanks for these posts, CanadaJohn. The visa and visitation issues surely contributed to this young man's twisted frame of mind. I agree with you: Given that there will always be crazies in search of a cause, there will be some who are ripe for the picking. "Ready recruits," as you say, and not much to be done for it unless and until they break the law.

So terribly sorry for what happened yesterday, but I think it may have an opposite effect from what the terrorist groups hope.
 
Middleground said:
Details are sketchy right now, but I would not be surprised if the shooter(s) are ISIS wanna b's and are copycating what happened yesterday in Montreal.
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We support our friends in Canada.

:2canadian
 
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