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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Waging genocidal wars, mass murders, terrorist acts is what I was calling mental illness not having a certain philosophy or belief. Though If you want to call homophobes and misogynists mentally ill I wont stop you.
    I believe homophobes to be ignorant, though you'd have to expand your interpretation of 'misogynist' further because the word is often used rather carelessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know of any young white male who is calling for the death of anyone who is not a young white male? If so you should report this immediately.
    You are dodging the issue. You have labelled all (or most) of those classified as Muslim to be a certain way. My point is you cannot, in just the same way you cannot label any group, such as young white males, as being any particular way. People are individuals, and must be seen as such.

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    We are not discussing race, however. Again you are well off the mark.
    Another dodge. We all know we are discussing prejudice, whether based on race, religion, or ethnicity. Your preference seems to be religion.

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    We are not discussing the "Vast majority of Muslims" either. Can't you even try to think these things through?
    OK- so enlighten me. You want to keep "Muslims" out of the country, but you are not talking about the vast majority...or are you? Who are you talking about? I think it has already been conceded here that those with obvious criminal intent, or strong anti-social values should not be allowed to enter. You began by talking about "Muslims" not being allowed to enter. Screw 'em, you said. Which ones? The traumatized family from Iran, fresh from police cells, and looking for a better life? The ones that tell you Allah decides on all things? Your own country bumpkin in bib overalls in this country will tell you God decides on all things. Or do you know what you are talking about, aside from the fact you feel threatened by folks that look just a bit different from you?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    You are dodging the issue. You have labelled all (or most) of those classified as Muslim to be a certain way.
    Then you should use the quote and rebut that.
    My point is you cannot, in just the same way you cannot label any group, such as young white males, as being any particular way. People are individuals, and must be seen as such.
    Yes, people are individuals but when these people gather together under a particular banner then they can be expected to be linked together under the old 'birds of a feather' adage. If they are unhappy with the teachings or behavior of that group then they should leave. But of course, in Islam, you can be put to death for this action.
    Another dodge. We all know we are discussing prejudice, whether based on race, religion, or ethnicity. Your preference seems to be religion.
    My preference is religion because the thread concerns the shooting of a Canadian by a Muslim terrorist. His race is not important.
    OK- so enlighten me. You want to keep "Muslims" out of the country, but you are not talking about the vast majority...or are you?
    When I say no more Muslims from Muslim countries should be allowed entry into Canada what do you think I mean? I really don't know how to make it any clearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then you should use the quote and rebut that. Yes, people are individuals but when these people gather together under a particular banner then they can be expected to be linked together under the old 'birds of a feather' adage. If they are unhappy with the teachings or behavior of that group then they should leave. But of course, in Islam, you can be put to death for this action.My preference is religion because the thread concerns the shooting of a Canadian by a Muslim terrorist. His race is not important. When I say no more Muslims from Muslim countries should be allowed entry into Canada what do you think I mean? I really don't know how to make it any clearer.
    Yes, you have made yourself quite clear: "It is about Muslims per se", and "no more Muslims from Muslim countries".

    To you, the kid selling cell phones in Jakarta, the Lebanese restaurant owner in Sydney, the poor farmer in Bangladesh, the ignorant tribesman in Afghanistan, the social reformer in Karachi, the refugee family in Iran, the tour guide in Egypt, and a billion more, can all be judged by just two things: their religion, and their country of origin. In your simplistic view of the world, all these masses of people are cut from the same cloth, and all have the same values and morals. And in your narrow and parochial view, they are all threatening, probably because you haven't actually met many outside of your small circle, and are fearful of doing so, as that would take you outside of your comfort zone. You should give it a shot sometime though Grant. You might expand yourself.

    Bye the way, this fellow was thrown out of the mosque he attempted to belong to. He was told Islam is open and accepting, views which did not coincide with his own.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    Yes, you have made yourself quite clear: "It is about Muslims per se", and "no more Muslims from Muslim countries". To you, the kid selling cell phones in Jakarta, the Lebanese restaurant owner in Sydney, the poor farmer in Bangladesh, the ignorant tribesman in Afghanistan, the social reformer in Karachi, the refugee family in Iran, the tour guide in Egypt, and a billion more, can all be judged by just two things: their religion, and their country of origin.
    Yes, exactly!
    In your simplistic view of the world, all these masses of people are cut from the same cloth, and all have the same values and morals
    What they share is the same set of religious beliefs. Some sympathize with terrorists and most don't. I suggest that Canada does not play Islam roulette, hoping that the Muslim they invite to emigrate to Canada is not a terrorist, or a sympathizer.. Instead I suggest we look to other countries, with people who are keen to become good Canadians and share our common values. This is wrong?
    And in your narrow and parochial view, they are all threatening, probably because you haven't actually met many outside of your small circle, and are fearful of doing so, as that would take you outside of your comfort zone. You should give it a shot sometime though Grant. You might expand yourself.
    Great idea!!
    Bye the way, this fellow was thrown out of the mosque he attempted to belong to. He was told Islam is open and accepting, views which did not coincide with his own.
    His father is Syrian.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, exactly! What they share is the same set of religious beliefs. Some sympathize with terrorists and most don't. I suggest that Canada does not play Islam roulette, hoping that the Muslim they invite to emigrate to Canada is not a terrorist, or a sympathizer.. Instead I suggest we look to other countries, with people who are keen to become good Canadians and share our common values. This is wrong?
    Uh, exactly how many agree with terrorist beliefs? Where are you figures?

    How do a billion people all fit into an exact consensus of what their belief actually is, when such belief is, in reality, all the projection of these myriad individuals? Do you have any clue as to the figures we are talking about?

    If you don't like roulette, maybe you don't want to do a Catholic roulette either. We know some Catholics are terrorists, although most aren't. So when we allow Catholics to enter the country, are we playing roulette with them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Great idea!!
    I'm glad you agree. You can start by visiting your local library, and asking the librarian how you can get a good grounding in history, sociology, psychology, and with perhaps an extra dollop of fascism studies to start off with. Bring a lunch. And dinner.

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    His father is Syrian.
    Indeed, and that makes his crime what exactly...?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    Uh, exactly how many agree with terrorist beliefs? Where are you figures?
    The World Preface | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/...onor-killings/ If the subject interests you you can also do some research yourself.
    How do a billion people all fit into an exact consensus of what their belief actually is, when such belief is, in reality, all the projection of these myriad individuals? Do you have any clue as to the figures we are talking about?
    Read the reports and learn.
    If you don't like roulette, maybe you don't want to do a Catholic roulette either. We know some Catholics are terrorists, although most aren't. So when we allow Catholics to enter the country, are we playing roulette with them?
    You've wandered into the kiddy pool.
    I'm glad you agree. You can start by visiting your local library, and asking the librarian how you can get a good grounding in history, sociology, psychology, and with perhaps an extra dollop of fascism studies to start off with. Bring a lunch. And dinner.
    Don't get snotty. It's me sending you some learning material.
    Indeed, and that makes his crime what exactly...?
    A Muslim guilty of the murder of an innocent Canadian soldier.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, exactly! What they share is the same set of religious beliefs. Some sympathize with terrorists and most don't. I suggest that Canada does not play Islam roulette, hoping that the Muslim they invite to emigrate to Canada is not a terrorist, or a sympathizer.. Instead I suggest we look to other countries, with people who are keen to become good Canadians and share our common values. This is wrong?
    It's a good thing Canadians reject your hateful premise.




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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The World Preface | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project Unfortunately a large number of Muslims support terrorism,9/11,women’s oppression,sharia laws,honor killings If the subject interests you you can also do some research yourself.Read the reports and learn.You've wandered into the kiddy pool.Don't get snotty. It's me sending you some learning material.A Muslim guilty of the murder of an innocent Canadian soldier.
    Non-answers, dodges, changes of subject, and a link that merely shows that most attached to Islam are about at the level the west was in the 1950's.

    If you are going to promote racist and bigoted notions on this site, you could at least have the courage to admit to your ideology. Adding cowardice to your list of descriptors hardly enhances your image.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's a good thing Canadians reject your hateful premise.
    Am I dealing with children here??? It is radical Muslims who are doing the hating, not me and my fellow Canadians. It is the Jihadists who are murdering Canadians (and many others). You are talking as though all Muslims are terrorists, which they are not. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    There are many of good Muslims, I am staying in a neighborhood full of them right now. BUT!!! There are Muslims who want to kill Canadians, as has been clearly demonstrated. Therefore, until all of this is resolved, there should be a moratorium on Muslim immigration. We cannot tell the difference between "Good" Muslims and "Bad" Muslims so we should be bringing in those who, as of this time in history, are not linked to Jihad or terrorism of any sort. Perhaps, after a step like this is taken, the "Good" Muslims will finally rise up, in a serious way, against those among them who are preaching hatreds.

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    Why would we want to import these genuine hatreds, not your fabricated 'hate", to Canada???

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