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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

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    If you read the Pew Research Poll you would see then that a great many Muslims suffer from "mental illness". I suspect that 'silly thought' of yours does not rely on any research. Those who live in democracies should nt readily assume that those who are at war with them are 'mentally ill'. Were the Germans mentally ill? YES The Japanese? YES The list goes on throughout the ages and the age you live in is really no exception.

    You appear to be under the impression that there are people who believe 'all Muslims are terrorists'. Such is not the case. What I am saying that Muslim immigration into Canada should be halted indefinitely. I see no good reason why it continue when there are millions of others with more culturally compatible beliefs who want to live and work in the country.
    Of course mental illness is not an excuse for what happens, more an explanation.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

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    Some do but those whom I speak are "muslim" by culture not religious and thus cannot speak for muslims in any capacity as they don't really go to or run Mosques. They basically have no more voice than you or I and if heard are not identified as speaking for muslims but for themselves.
    If they are Muslim 'by culture', then thay are not Muslims. Islam is a religion.
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    No problem. I'm very familiar with what happened.
    The world will be getting it and it is opposite to Canadian values. I agree Canada should not allow radicals to enter let alone immigrate but go from there to a ban on all Muslims is a huge leap.
    I believe most of the democracies would applaud Canada's move.

    Do you feel that is western Europeans had another chance that they would still accept Muslims into their countries? Are you really aware of the social problems they are having in Belgium, Austria, Germany, Britain, etc.?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

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    Of course mental illness is not an excuse for what happens, more an explanation.
    Those who want Sharia imposed on the world are not necessarily 'mentally ill'. They just have different philosophies and attitudes than those raised in liberal democracies, with many of them being quite militant and overly enthusiastic about their beliefs.

    Is wanting homosexuality illegal 'mentally ill? Or not allowing women to drive or leave the house without a related male escort 'mentally ill'? No. It is just a belief system which is in generally sharp contrast to our own.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you read the Pew Research Poll you would see then that a great many Muslims suffer from "mental illness". I suspect that 'silly thought' of yours does not rely on any research. Those who live in democracies should nt readily assume that those who are at war with them are 'mentally ill'. Were the Germans mentally ill? The Japanese? The list goes on throughout the ages and the age you live in is really no exception.
    I'm sure a great many of them do suffer from mental illness. I did not say that those at war with us are mentally ill (though you probably could make a case for Hitler being ill)



    Actually two murders in three days, though your use of the word 'incident' is telling. It was murder.
    2 murders? Wow that many? Canada must be better than I thought if you're willing to change all the immigration policies because of 2 murders. We have more kids die in the average school shooting here in the US. Strange how everyone is willing to chalk that up to mental illness...


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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You find Christian terrorism to be a problem?Actually it is about Muslims per se, and screw those young men. There is no need to import more. As soon as they get their act together then more can be accepted but Canada does not have to prove anything regarding immigration, and there are plenty of people around the world who would love to come to Canada without bringing any Islamic baggage with them, or encouraging Islamic violence here..
    I was pointing out the flaw in your logic. People commit crimes for various reasons, but that doesn't mean that all in their group are by extension criminals. The vast majority of crimes in Canada are committed by young white males. That doesn't mean that all young white males should be suspect. The mistake that those with racist attitudes make is in taking a simplistic and lazy view of the world, and attributing all sorts of negative assumptions about "those people", who can actually be just about any identifiable group that one feels fearful about.

    The vast majority of Muslims are not any more crime prone that anyone else, and making policy decisions based on race, ethnicity, or religion are by definition racist.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they are Muslim 'by culture', then thay are not Muslims. Islam is a religion.
    Ask most Quebecois what they are and they will say Catholic, ask them when is the last time they were in a church and they will not Be able to answer.
    A cultural muslim is the same as a cultural christian. they identify as such.
    Is your proposal to ban everyone from muslim countries or just those who claim to be muslim?

    No problem. I'm very familiar with what happened.
    I believe most of the democracies would applaud Canada's move.
    I disagree but since it is never going to happen we will never know.

    Do you feel that is western Europeans had another chance that they would still accept Muslims into their countries?
    I cannot answer that question but I have no doubt there would be those on both sides of the issue.

    Are you really aware of the social problems they are having in Belgium, Austria, Germany, Britain, etc.?
    Yes i am aware and as far as i can tell it has far more to do with bowing down to certain demands than with immigration per se.
    FYI I have no problem with any country refusing entry to those who state that they wish to try and enforce their ideals on others.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Those who want Sharia imposed on the world are not necessarily 'mentally ill'. They just have different philosophies and attitudes than those raised in liberal democracies, with many of them being quite militant and overly enthusiastic about their beliefs.

    Is wanting homosexuality illegal 'mentally ill? Or not allowing women to drive or leave the house without a related male escort 'mentally ill'? No. It is just a belief system which is in generally sharp contrast to our own.
    Waging genocidal wars, mass murders, terrorist acts is what I was calling mental illness not having a certain philosophy or belief. Though If you want to call homophobes and misogynists mentally ill I wont stop you.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no indication that any of the Muslim attackers were mentally ill, any more than members of ISIS, suicide bombers or the Clerics encouraging them.

    Mental illness was not how we labeled Nazis, Racists, Fascists, Communists, and so on. The sad fact is that we can get human beings to believe almost anything, as many experiments have demonstrated. That does not make them mentally ill however. That's just us trying to find a rational explanation for their behavior.
    It may not be the "clinical diagnosis" but IMHO all terrorists are mentally ill. And it is not tryign to find a rational explanation for their behavior it is stating that there is NO rational explanation for their behavior.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    I was pointing out the flaw in your logic. People commit crimes for various reasons, but that doesn't mean that all in their group are by extension criminals. The vast majority of crimes in Canada are committed by young white males. That doesn't mean that all young white males should be suspect.
    Do you know of any young white male who is calling for the death of anyone who is not a young white male? If so you should report this immediately.
    The mistake that those with racist attitudes make is in taking a simplistic and lazy view of the world, and attributing all sorts of negative assumptions about "those people", who can actually be just about any identifiable group that one feels fearful about.
    We are not discussing race, however. Again you are well off the mark.

    The vast majority of Muslims are not any more crime prone that anyone else, and making policy decisions based on race, ethnicity, or religion are by definition racist.
    We are not discussing the "Vast majority of Muslims" either. Can't you even try to think these things through?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    It may not be the "clinical diagnosis" but IMHO all terrorists are mentally ill. And it is not tryign to find a rational explanation for their behavior it is stating that there is NO rational explanation for their behavior.
    And I believe all leftists are, by definition, stupid. There is a greater chance that I can demonstrate the ignorance of leftists then you can analyze the mind or the behavior of those who share beliefs different from your own.

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