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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    And if we had more lax laws, I am sure the gunman would have used a semi instead of a ****ty rifle and killed more people.
    And you would be wrong.
    States that implemented "shall-issue" concealed carry laws reduced murders by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7%, and robbery by 3%, according to a 2000 analysis of FBI crime data by economist and political commentator John R. Lott Jr., PhD. Lott calculated that 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults, and 12,000 robberies could have been prevented between 1977 and 1992 if concealed carry had been legal in every US state during that time period. [8] In addition, a 2013 peer-reviewed study in Applied Economic Letters, found that between 1980 and 2009, "states with more restrictive CCW [carrying concealed weapons] laws had gun-related murder rates that were 10% higher." [52] Detroit Chief of Police Larry Craig said permitted concealed weapons are "a deterrent," and "Good Americans with CPLs [concealed permit licenses] translates into crime reduction." [64] A 2013 survey of 15,000 current and retired police officers found that 91.3% support the concealed carry of guns by civilians. [80]
    Carrying a concealed handgun could help stop a public shooting spree. After the Apr. 20, 1999 Columbine High School massacre, the state of Colorado enacted the 2003 Concealed Carry Act to allow law-abiding citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon. The CATO Institute concluded that this law helped to stop a massacre at the New Life megachurch in Dec. 2007 when a volunteer security guard for the church who was carrying a concealed handgun shot an attacker who had opened fire in the church. [61] According to John R. Lott Jr., PhD, "when states passed concealed carry laws during the 19 years we studied (1977 to 1995), the number of multiple-victim public shootings declined by 84%. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90%, injuries by 82%." [62]
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    And if we had more lax laws, I am sure the gunman would have used a semi instead of a ****ty rifle and killed more people.
    So you are ok with unarmed people (unarmed victims), being gunned down as long as its with a old rifle.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    And you would be wrong.



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    What am I wrong about?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So you are ok with unarmed people (unarmed victims), being gunned down as long as its with a old rifle.
    How did you get that from what i wrote?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The fact that you don't get worked up about Islam is beside the point. What we have to deal with is Muslims who get worked up about Islam, and all that entails.
    How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........

    There have always been "causes" that have drawn young men with unresolved personal issues, because they helped to cover them up, or perhaps gave them an outlet to act out their dysfunction. Throw in a few political agitators who see some sort of gain, a few more immature followers who don't really understand the full ramifications of what they are doing, and voila, you have ISIS.....or before that the FLQ, the IRA, or the Red Brigades, or the Shinning Path, or any number of other organizations that ended up being magnets for the stupid, the violent, and the troubled.

    It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........

    There have always been "causes" that have drawn young men with unresolved personal issues, because they helped to cover them up, or perhaps gave them an outlet to act out their dysfunction. Throw in a few political agitators who see some sort of gain, a few more immature followers who don't really understand the full ramifications of what they are doing, and voila, you have ISIS.....or before that the FLQ, the IRA, or the Red Brigades, or the Shinning Path, or any number of other organizations that ended up being magnets for the stupid, the violent, and the troubled.

    It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.
    Did they do it in the name of Christianity?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How did you get that from what i wrote?
    That is exactly what you wrote.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........
    You find Christian terrorism to be a problem?
    It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.
    Actually it is about Muslims per se, and screw those young men. There is no need to import more. As soon as they get their act together then more can be accepted but Canada does not have to prove anything regarding immigration, and there are plenty of people around the world who would love to come to Canada without bringing any Islamic baggage with them, or encouraging Islamic violence here..

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    That is exactly what you wrote.
    No, it wasn't.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    The point is refusing to allow immigration will not stop these kinds of things from happening.
    It will make a huge statement to the world, perhaps a statement that those 'moderate' Muslims aren't making.

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