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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There are many "crimes" that don't involve the actual, successful, commission of the crime. That's why conspiracy laws and "attempted" laws are rampant in most democracies. To me, if anything, the two individuals involved in the two incidents here in Canada this week could easily have be charged with conspiracies based on their reported intentions and social media musings.
    Conspiracies are also rather difficult, if the individual is acting alone. But a charge of conspiracy is a valid argument, if it is used in all cases of conspiracy. Here in Germany the use is rather selective, which I find dangerous.

    We are in an area of law and legal application that is getting close to the substance of free society. Value judgments can go this way or that. And where you start forbidding citizens their freedom of movement, you need very important trade-offs to justify it and the hardest of proof for government to act. Otherwise you might find yourself in a tight spot a little later. This was the discussion in the 1920s, when fascism was the rage. And I think it wiser to err on the side of maintained freedom at a reasonable risk than risk freedom. But it is by far and away not clear cut.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is the kind of argument that people use, when the have none.

    In this case, I guess we might find common ground, if the said person has stated that he wants to fight against the country or an allied nation. Did he?

    And it does seem unreasonable to prevent people going to fight against Assad, if they want to and are not at the same time fighting their own country. Would you forbid a citizen going to Ukraine to help? Maybe as a fighter or say as a medic for the guys in the East?
    If you accept that a country has a right/responsibility to deny passports to its citizens under certain circumstances then we are on common ground if you think people have the right to go anywhere they want whenever they want then we dont.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post


    No. this was the act of a wannabe terrorist who won't be doing any more harm thanks to the courage of one man.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    No. this was the act of a wannabe terrorist who won't be doing any more harm thanks to the courage of one man.
    He's a bonefide islamic terrorist; not a wannabe.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    No. this was the act of a wannabe terrorist who won't be doing any more harm thanks to the courage of one man.
    Kevin Vickers. I see it took an old guy to put the hammer down. Hellz yea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's a bonefide islamic terrorist; not a wannabe.
    Maybe a "wannawas" seeing as he is on a slab. LOL

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Freedom of movement is not a basic right? I would have thought it a necessary condition for free association, communication of opinions and so on.
    This is interesting. You are arguing for the basic right of movement for a man that was going to an area with no basic rights of any kind.

    Does that make sense to you?

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, WE have to change for THEM? That's the worst strategy.
    Maybe if all American women wore clothing head to foot, they would like us more.

    I think Middleground wants to try that, so as to not upset them further.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Rex is one one of those who makes Canada great, and this is a good example of his work.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    No, I didn't say that either. But I do think we all must do what we can -- primarily through education and dialogue -- to change our ways of thinking and to prevent people from going extreme. Tell me... why do you think these radicals hate the West/America?
    Let's not forget that they are murdering other Muslims as well and when they go out to fight it is not necessarily against 'the West'. Canada also does not have any Ward Churchills in its schools or preachers preaching "God Damn Canada!"

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