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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Workplace violence? No

    Act of terror by radical Islamic terrorist? Yes

    Response by BO & Co.: What terror? What Islamic?
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    No, I didn't say that either. But I do think we all must do what we can -- primarily through education and dialogue -- to change our ways of thinking and to prevent people from going extreme. Tell me... why do you think these radicals hate the West/America?
    Oh, WE have to change for THEM? That's the worst strategy.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Yet such extreme rightwing nationalistic ideologies persist. Nowhere more than in the USA.
    How many people did the communusts murder? 100 million?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Can I take your word for that ? I don't read Stormfront or have never visited the website.

    You must have.
    You don't have to visit that that site to know it's comprised of individuals who believe that people should "speak English or get out" White Nationalism and all that garbage. If you aren't a WASP then you're not right.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So I had understood. I do not think I like such laws.
    I do - I believe it's the responsible thing to do for a country to control those who wish to travel on the country's documents in order to cause death and destruction in other countries. A national passport is a privilege, not a right - a passport says to the world that this citizen of this country is law abiding and carries a form of "guarantee" that he/she is not a threat. Canadian passports are well respected and desired and many dual citizens travel only on their Canadian passport because of that respect/reputation. I've got no problem with revoking that privilege from anyone who wants to abuse it for illegal purposes.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Freedom of movement is not a basic right? I would have thought it a necessary condition for free association, communication of opinions and so on.
    There is no such thing as complete freedom of movement. It is absurd to think you have the right to go anywhere whenever you want and as such it is NOT a necessary condition for free association or communication.
    Denying an individual the right to leave the country to go fight against said country is NOT denying someone a basic right, it is acting responsibly.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I do - I believe it's the responsible thing to do for a country to control those who wish to travel on the country's documents in order to cause death and destruction in other countries. A national passport is a privilege, not a right - a passport says to the world that this citizen of this country is law abiding and carries a form of "guarantee" that he/she is not a threat. Canadian passports are well respected and desired and many dual citizens travel only on their Canadian passport because of that respect/reputation. I've got no problem with revoking that privilege from anyone who wants to abuse it for illegal purposes.
    I understand the argument. But till the citizen has committed a crime? I really do not know. That is a very slippery slope we have ventured out on. If they state they want to fight against the interests of allies, I guess then we can argue validly. If it is only a (well documented) suspicion? If it goes wrong, then a government could suspect you.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Yet such extreme rightwing nationalistic ideologies persist. Nowhere more than in the USA.
    Lol. You must be very blissful.

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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I understand the argument. But till the citizen has committed a crime? I really do not know. That is a very slippery slope we have ventured out on. If they state they want to fight against the interests of allies, I guess then we can argue validly. If it is only a (well documented) suspicion? If it goes wrong, then a government could suspect you.
    There are many "crimes" that don't involve the actual, successful, commission of the crime. That's why conspiracy laws and "attempted" laws are rampant in most democracies. To me, if anything, the two individuals involved in the two incidents here in Canada this week could easily have be charged with conspiracies based on their reported intentions and social media musings.
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    Re: Shooting at Canadian Parlament

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    There is no such thing as complete freedom of movement. It is absurd to think you have the right to go anywhere whenever you want and as such it is NOT a necessary condition for free association or communication.
    Denying an individual the right to leave the country to go fight against said country is NOT denying someone a basic right, it is acting responsibly.
    That is the kind of argument that people use, when the have none.

    In this case, I guess we might find common ground, if the said person has stated that he wants to fight against the country or an allied nation. Did he?

    And it does seem unreasonable to prevent people going to fight against Assad, if they want to and are not at the same time fighting their own country. Would you forbid a citizen going to Ukraine to help? Maybe as a fighter or say as a medic for the guys in the East?

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