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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But you still haven't articulated why people not trying to work should be considered unemployed, the same as people trying to work. And worse, you refuse to explain why some people not trying to work should not be counted and others should. The closest has been your claim that people "might" start looking one day, but that doesn't explain why they should be considered part of the labor market now.

    Are you incapable of actually making an argument?


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    Unemployment Rate Down As Americans Give Up On Work - Forbes

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    You ignore they quit looking because there are no jobs. When economy improves they will again look

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Real incomes are down. Starting to go back up. And the only people I've run across who think the job picture is false are those who don't understand the jobs numbers.
    There are no jobs. The amount of jobs each month is not enough to keep up with this country. We get more illegals crossing the border each month than job growth

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Well, the situation is complex, so things can seem complicated. This is not meant to sound condescending, but most people have not really studied these matters (including many economists and politicians) and so don't understand the complexities. But the complexities are not meant to deceive, they're just based on many many factors most people don't think about because they don't need to. And that sometimes leads to disconnect.

    I am more than happy to explain these complexities, but it is kind of annoying when people declare things to be true when basic research would have shown them wrong.


    Almost all the issues I've seen are politicians/pundits etc misrepresenting what the numbers mean. The data from the statistical agencies is of course not completely accurate (because that would be impossible) but as close as can be gotten with given resources.
    I may not understand all of the complexity of the current methods, algorithms, and predictive sampling or whatever, but like I have said in other cases, I have two eyes, and can see what my main street looks like, I can see strip centers where shopping used to occur with open shops, and people in them used to be, but now have weeds growing up through the blacktop, and I can talk to friends whom lost jobs due to downsizing of the recession, and are still unemployed because they are "too old" to be employable to the few businesses that are hiring....And with that common sense analysis I can deduce that although some things have started a slow rebound, for the most part the "new normal" sucks.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I may not understand all of the complexity of the current methods, algorithms, and predictive sampling or whatever, but like I have said in other cases, I have two eyes, and can see what my main street looks like, I can see strip centers where shopping used to occur with open shops, and people in them used to be, but now have weeds growing up through the blacktop, and I can talk to friends whom lost jobs due to downsizing of the recession, and are still unemployed because they are "too old" to be employable to the few businesses that are hiring....And with that common sense analysis I can deduce that although some things have started a slow rebound, for the most part the "new normal" sucks.


    There's nothing so fun as refuting actual evidence with anecdotes.

    Guess what. I can look down my main street and see businesses moving into town and flourishing. I can look at the new shops being built and can read the increased tax money being brought into the area. I have talked to people who didn't have a job during the recession who now have a very good job with better pay and benefits. And with that common sense analysis I can deduce that, while some things aren't quite what we want them to be, the economy has clearly done a great job rebounding.

    So obviously this country is doing great, because in my very small corner of the world, things are going great. Is anecdotal evidence fun? The best part is you never have to actually prove what you're saying is correct or simply biasedly cherry-picked. It's awesome.

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