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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Uh huh....nothing to see here....Move along.
    A guy loses a $80K corporate job, then takes two jobs to make $60K and avoid welfare to provide for his family.

    That's a Democrat success story.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    A guy loses a $80K corporate job, then takes two jobs to make $60K and avoid welfare to provide for his family.

    That's a Democrat success story.
    Yeah, according to them that's two jobs, AND the guy still gets to be counted as part of the wealthy and taxed all to hell...
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, according to them that's two jobs, AND the guy still gets to be counted as part of the wealthy and taxed all to hell...
    Well, for the official employment numbers (new jobs) the data is from a payroll survey, so multiple job holders will be counted as part of each payroll (no way around that), but for the household survey, used for the unemployment and labor force numbers, individuals are counted once, regardless of jobs:
    Employment Situation Technical Note
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Well, for the official employment numbers (new jobs) the data is from a payroll survey, so multiple job holders will be counted as part of each payroll (no way around that)...
    So you admit that a person holding two jobs count as separate jobs in the UE numbers...Great...Those jobs don't show a bettering situation now do they? As for NO way around that....That's bunk...Sure there is...Start reporting those that are really unemployed.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you admit that a person holding two jobs count as separate jobs in the UE numbers...
    No, I didn't I said the opposite. What did you do, stop reading after the part you quoted. The next part was "but for the household survey, used for the unemployment and labor force numbers, individuals are counted once, regardless of jobs" (that should have been "regardless of number of jobs," but I think it's still clear.)

    Two different surveys. One is used for the official employment numbers, the other is used for the UE and other labor force statistics. Read the damn link.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    No, I didn't I said the opposite. What did you do, stop reading after the part you quoted. The next part was "but for the household survey, used for the unemployment and labor force numbers, individuals are counted once, regardless of jobs" (that should have been "regardless of number of jobs," but I think it's still clear.)

    Two different surveys. One is used for the official employment numbers, the other is used for the UE and other labor force statistics. Read the damn link.
    Aw, don't get mad dude...It's not my fault that the American people just laid the smack down on double speak like what you are pushing here....Just relax it'll be ok...Just give it some time to be actually fixed.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw, don't get mad dude...It's not my fault that the American people just laid the smack down on double speak like what you are pushing here....
    Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it doublespeak. I note you still cannot admit any error on your part. You misread my post, and didn't bother to read the link. But you can't admit it.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw, don't get mad dude...It's not my fault that the American people just laid the smack down on double speak like what you are pushing here....Just relax it'll be ok...Just give it some time to be actually fixed.
    The fact you're taunting someone who clearly knows way more than you on this subject about something you obviously did not comprehend is hilarious.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it doublespeak. I note you still cannot admit any error on your part. You misread my post, and didn't bother to read the link. But you can't admit it.
    *Sigh* Good grief...It's true...Progressives really don't have a sense of humor...Chill dude...Look, I already said, and conceded that you know more than I do on the breakdown of how this is tabulated, and I already said I was wrong on how I characterized it earlier, I am not going to continue to do so just for your satisfaction...I am, maybe inartfully saying that there really is no reason to make things so complicated other than to construct a lie...Like Twain popularized: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    .I am, maybe inartfully saying that there really is no reason to make things so complicated other than to construct a lie
    Well, the situation is complex, so things can seem complicated. This is not meant to sound condescending, but most people have not really studied these matters (including many economists and politicians) and so don't understand the complexities. But the complexities are not meant to deceive, they're just based on many many factors most people don't think about because they don't need to. And that sometimes leads to disconnect.

    I am more than happy to explain these complexities, but it is kind of annoying when people declare things to be true when basic research would have shown them wrong.

    ...Like Twain popularized: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'
    Almost all the issues I've seen are politicians/pundits etc misrepresenting what the numbers mean. The data from the statistical agencies is of course not completely accurate (because that would be impossible) but as close as can be gotten with given resources.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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