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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can invent all the plausible excuses you want, but the general feeling by most people and reported in the news is that the job picture is false and incomes are down. Obama job approval sucks because no one really believes the job numbers.
    Real incomes are down. Starting to go back up. And the only people I've run across who think the job picture is false are those who don't understand the jobs numbers.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

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    This country is made up of over 300 million people and nearly 3.8 million square miles. Only an idiot would think what is happening in their small corner of the country can be equally applied to the rest of the country.
    . . . .
    Really? Isn't this one of the most uttered justifications to ObamaCare, that it worked, well sort of, in Massachusetts?

    Bottom line here is that are aren't enough Americans working full time and that there are far too many Americans that would gladly have a full time well paying job, but can only find part time work, and that this is a direct result of the failed liberal policies of Obama and his administration.

    The only reason that the unemployment number looks as low as it is, is because so many have exhausted their unemployment, and have given up. Not to mention that disability claims are at an all time high (probably where the unemployment benefit demand has shifted to).

    Furthermore, these policies of Obama and this administration have retarded and weakened the recovery.

    You can try and put lipstick on this pig, but it's not gonna make it look any better.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The only reason that the unemployment number looks as low as it is, is because so many have exhausted their unemployment, and have given up.
    What do you think employment benefits have to do with anything?
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    What do you think employment benefits have to do with anything?
    Nothing else in my post that you'd like to respond to?

    As trotted out by the administration from time to time as some sort of claim of things being better and some sort of claim that the administration has succeeded, which they've not.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Nothing else in my post that you'd like to respond to?

    As trotted out by the administration from time to time as some sort of claim of things being better and some sort of claim that the administration has succeeded, which they've not.
    No, I was questioning your claim that "The only reason that the unemployment number looks as low as it is, is because so many have exhausted their unemployment" Why do you think exhausting benefits has anything to do with the unemployment numbers. The survey used for the unemployment rate doesn't even ask about benefits.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    No, I was questioning your claim that "The only reason that the unemployment number looks as low as it is, is because so many have exhausted their unemployment" Why do you think exhausting benefits has anything to do with the unemployment numbers. The survey used for the unemployment rate doesn't even ask about benefits.
    Once someone's unemployment benefits are exhausted, they are no longer counted as unemployed?

    From what I can tell, it's a weird relabeling of the BLS reported unemployment number (actually drawing unemployment benefits), U3 if I recall, when a more realistic statistic is the U6 number, if I recall, which is all people looking for a job that don't have one. Perhaps little more than the usual government misleading statistics. You know what they say, liars, dam liars, and statistics (which can be made to read however you want them to).
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Once someone's unemployment benefits are exhausted, they are no longer counted as unemployed?
    That is untrue. The Unemployment level and rate has never ever been based on whether or not someone is eligible for or receiving UI benefits. It's not even asked about.

    From what I can tell, it's a weird relabeling of the BLS reported unemployment number (actually drawing unemployment benefits), U3 if I recall, when a more realistic statistic is the U6 number, if I recall, which is all people looking for a job that don't have one. .
    Wrong on both counts. The official rate (U3) is Unemployed as a percent of the labor force, with unemployed defined as not working, able to start work, and actively looked for work in the previous 4 weeks. (those on temporary layoff are unemployed whether or not they've looked for work).

    The U6 is unemployed plus marginally attached to the labor force plus those working part time for economic reasons divided by the labor force plus the marginally attached.

    Marginally attached are those who are not working, able to start work, looked for work in the last 12 months but not the last 4 weeks (note that most stopped looking for work due to personal reasons, not "giving up")
    Part time for economic reasons are those who want to and are available to work 35+ hours/week, but worked less than 34 hours due to slow business or inability to find full time work.

    But let me get this straight...you felt comfortable criticizing the numbers even though you had no knowledge about how they were collected or calculated. Do you see why I find that odd?
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Real incomes are down. Starting to go back up. And the only people I've run across who think the job picture is false are those who don't understand the jobs numbers.
    You have nothing credible to show incomes are going back up, no one in the news has been saying it.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    That is untrue. The Unemployment level and rate has never ever been based on whether or not someone is eligible for or receiving UI benefits. It's not even asked about.



    Wrong on both counts. The official rate (U3) is Unemployed as a percent of the labor force, with unemployed defined as not working, able to start work, and actively looked for work in the previous 4 weeks. (those on temporary layoff are unemployed whether or not they've looked for work).

    The U6 is unemployed plus marginally attached to the labor force plus those working part time for economic reasons divided by the labor force plus the marginally attached.

    Marginally attached are those who are not working, able to start work, looked for work in the last 12 months but not the last 4 weeks (note that most stopped looking for work due to personal reasons, not "giving up")
    Part time for economic reasons are those who want to and are available to work 35+ hours/week, but worked less than 34 hours due to slow business or inability to find full time work.

    But let me get this straight...you felt comfortable criticizing the numbers even though you had no knowledge about how they were collected or calculated. Do you see why I find that odd?
    If we look at the entire opening post
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Really? Isn't this one of the most uttered justifications to ObamaCare, that it worked, well sort of, in Massachusetts?

    Bottom line here is that are aren't enough Americans working full time and that there are far too many Americans that would gladly have a full time well paying job, but can only find part time work, and that this is a direct result of the failed liberal policies of Obama and his administration.

    The only reason that the unemployment number looks as low as it is, is because so many have exhausted their unemployment, and have given up. Not to mention that disability claims are at an all time high (probably where the unemployment benefit demand has shifted to).

    Furthermore, these policies of Obama and this administration have retarded and weakened the recovery.

    You can try and put lipstick on this pig, but it's not gonna make it look any better.
    We see more than just a criticism, or rather a distinct lack of trust, in the reported BLS numbers, but more so the observation and main point of the post being:

    Bottom line here is that are aren't enough Americans working full time and that there are far too many Americans that would gladly have a full time well paying job, but can only find part time work, and that this is a direct result of the failed liberal policies of Obama and his administration.
    and

    Furthermore, these policies of Obama and this administration have retarded and weakened the recovery.
    So OK, I may be off on some of the details of the BLS reporting, fine. However, I stand by my 2 main points, which I've highlighted for you above.
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    Re: AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You have nothing credible to show incomes are going back up, no one in the news has been saying it.
    Real wages average weekly earnings


    Real wages average hourly earnings


    Not, I'm not saying things are great, and I've made no comments on any government policies, just that there are signs of improvement.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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