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Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

from all the westerns i watched as a kid, the guys who were shot with their hands up then moved their hands to the place on the body where the bullet entered
would this young man not be expected to do the same

I don't know what that means. If his hands were up and he was shot, how would the bullets enter on the other side of his arm?

Are you saying his arm movements were faster than the velocity of the bullets, plural?
 
The protestors are upset that details are starting to leak out... After being upset for so long that everything was secretive. :roll:

Police and protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, clashed once again Wednesday night as tensions boiled over during a planned demonstration against the shooting of Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson in August.

Activists said the leak of the report to the newspaper simply added to tensions in the community, which has been the site of numerous protests, including last nights where there have been regular clashes between demonstrators and police, in the 10 weeks since the shooting.
 
Why did Wilson not use pepper spray, after Brown was moving away from the car, then coming back toward Wilson, still outside the cruiser?

Why did Wilson not have a stun gun with him?



Evidence supports officer


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Why did Wilson not use pepper spray, after Brown was moving away from the car, then coming back toward Wilson, still outside the cruiser?

Why did Wilson not have a stun gun with him?



Evidence supports officer


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You're kidding right? An officer, who had already pulled the trigger twice after hand to hand combat with the subject IN THE POLICE VEHICLE isn't going to regress into using a less lethal alternative.

He had already wounded the suspect with little responce and he continue to attack. The officer was indeed worried about his own life at that point.
 
As you were told.

Sadly? Nah!
It is what happens when thugs bite off more than they can chew.





:naughty
You are speaking utter nonsense.


No, his discharge was not for racial bigotry.
actually, his dismissal from the police force WAS for racial bigotry
the entire force was terminated because of it

That is your bigotry speaking.
no. my information tracks news stories such as this one:
Darren Wilson’s first police job was in the small town of Jennings, MO–and the police department had such a troubled history with racial tensions between white officers and black residents that the city eventually disbanded it. Three years ago, every single officer–including Wilson–was fired, and new people were hired in an effort to regain credibility with residents.
Cop Who Killed Michael Brown Formerly Worked for Police Dept. Disbanded for Racism, Corruption | Americans Against the Tea Party

His discharge was because his job no longer existed because the Department was disbanded.
yes, that job continued to exist. only it was filled instead by another LEO who was found not to be tainted by a history of racist behavior
every member of that jennings police department was fired. because of the persistence of racial bigotry they exhibited. including the shooter of the young black man

Why it was disbanded was not attributable to him.
and one must question why a innocent would have been fired for racist actions while serving as a law enforcement officer

And he had a clean record at that department.
now, let's all ponder what a "clean record" would look like within a police department which was disbanded because its members were found to act in a racist manner towards the black community it was intended to serve

and then let's also ponder why a police officer who was innocent of racist charges did nothing to preserve his job; he took no action to resist his firing for engaging in racist behavior. he did nothing to preserve his integrity as an honest cop. instead he was fired for being a member of a department which was found to engage in racist actions





That is a ridiculously absurd claim.

You do understand that the interviews came before this testimony, right?
You do understand that it is reported that he said during interviews that he did not remember, right?
You do understand that other witnesses have him telling Brown to stop before turning, right?
You do understand that the GJ testimony came after his interviews, right?
Interviews ~ didn't remember
After interviews ~ remembered
During GJ testimony ~ relayed what he remembered​

So how is it that you do not understand that him remembering what happened (especially as it was witnessed by others) prior to testifying to the GJ allowed him to testify to such?

That is how things work with memory, or did you also not know that?
And yet you want to call it a lie. :doh That is just stupid.

And what is funny about this is your focus on something that is completely irrelevant.
Whether or not he remembered makes absolutely no difference to what happened prior to Brown turning, or after he turned and began approaching him.
 
I agree that one should wait till investigation is completed and released before drawing any conclusions.

Why the emphasis on black and white witness. I don't care what color/race a witness is. All witness statements need to be collaborated by other evidence.
Is there not witnesses that support Wilson's description on the event. No I don't find it suspicious that Wilson may not have mentioned at the time about Browns hand position.
One could say by not doing so makes the witness statements suspect.


I can't/won't speak for other posters. One reason I don't like all inclusive statements.
I agree with little facts that have been given it is most likely a clean shoot.

As far as your last statement. Yep, many have made up their minds. Just like the protesters in the other St. Luis ? event where a black teenager shot at the police. The police returned fire and the kid died. People are angry because the police shot another black kid. Never mind the kid fired first. So goes the world.

Because many on here(not necessarily you ) don't find any of the black witnesses credible.
 
You're kidding right? An officer, who had already pulled the trigger twice after hand to hand combat with the subject IN THE POLICE VEHICLE isn't going to regress into using a less lethal alternative.
the cop was in the police SUV
not the victim ... except for the portion of him which would fit into the driver side window
and if anyone were to be tugged into such a window would your immediate response not be fight or flee
and that's what happened. he fought until he was able to flee
and when he was fleeing, he was no threat to the shooter
and witnesses tell us the young black man subordinated himself before the cop. at that time he was twenty feet away from the shooter. there was no 'threat' to the shooter

He had already wounded the suspect with little responce and he continue to attack.
"with little response" does not square with witness accounts. the black victim ran FROM the police SUV and was twenty feet from the shooting cop. he was in a subordinate position, offering no resistance
there was no basis for the cop to shoot at that time

The officer was indeed worried about his own life at that point.
with the young black man now twenty feet away, in a subordinated position, and wounded. and notably, without an armed weapon. please share with us why the shooter was still worried about his own life at this point
 
I don't know what that means. If his hands were up and he was shot, how would the bullets enter on the other side of his arm?

Are you saying his arm movements were faster than the velocity of the bullets, plural?

i am saying that it is unrealistic to expect the person in the subordinate position to keep holding his hands up in a sign of surrender at the time he is shot. one's hands are instinctively going to go to the place of the wound rather than being held in the surrender position
and this is significant because there are some who are trying to paint the hand movement away from the surrender position validates the shooter's belief that he was threatened by the shooting victim at the time the shots were fired
 
and one must question why a innocent would have been fired for racist actions while serving as a law enforcement officer

The entire police force was disbanded - both those that did wrong and those that did no wrong were without a job. There is no indication that he was of the group that did wrong. in fact.. there have been indiciations that he was one of those that did no wrong.
 
and if anyone were to be tugged into such a window would your immediate response not be fight or flee

Right.. Because it's at all beleiveable that someone is going to be sitting in a car and attempt to pull a 300 lb 6 foot man through a car window.

You would also, apparently, believe that no one slammed the door shut when Wilson attempted to exit his vehicle.. it just bounced off someone and closed on the officer

:roll:
 
The entire police force was disbanded - both those that did wrong and those that did no wrong were without a job. There is no indication that he was of the group that did wrong. in fact.. there have been indiciations that he was one of those that did no wrong.

where are the indications that he was innocent but fired for racial bigotry anyway
 
Like every other hypersensitive, racially-percieved crime, there will be a portion of the population who stop percieving evidence rationally. No amount of conflicting information will deter them from their belief. Confirmation bias will run rampant and no response, regardless of how well reasoned or worded one is, will break that bias.
 
I agree that one should wait till investigation is completed and released before drawing any conclusions.

Why the emphasis on black and white witness. I don't care what color/race a witness is. All witness statements need to be collaborated by other evidence.
Is there not witnesses that support Wilson's description on the event. No I don't find it suspicious that Wilson may not have mentioned at the time about Browns hand position.
One could say by not doing so makes the witness statements suspect.


I can't/won't speak for other posters. One reason I don't like all inclusive statements.
I agree with little facts that have been given it is most likely a clean shoot.

As far as your last statement. Yep, many have made up their minds. Just like the protesters in the other St. Luis ? event where a black teenager shot at the police. The police returned fire and the kid died. People are angry because the police shot another black kid. Never mind the kid fired first. So goes the world.


Because many don't find black witnesses credible..

Look I agree with you also that protestor had their opinion drawn just hearing the headline. I took a lot of heat on facebook defending the cops actions. I also made this open statement on facebook that genrated a lot of heat.

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I have a friend who is a cop and our kids play together all the time. However, I'm not naive to think that all cops are honest with good intention. They are just like us but with badges. The arguments I have with many is that I am not taking the word of Wilson just because Brown did a criminal act. A lot of things don't smell right and I would like to hear more instead of just speculations. I read a article that Brown had Marijuana in his system. People made posts about it. I said to myself "so what". There are white collar executives and Ivy League students that smoke weed. Why is Brown treated differently?
 
Right.. Because it's at all beleiveable that someone is going to be sitting in a car and attempt to pull a 300 lb 6 foot man through a car window.
based on your comment below, recognizing that the cop's door was closed, then there appears to be agreement that the 'tussle' between the two men happened thru the SUV driver side window
now to ponder whether the 300 pounder chose to enter the window of his own accord or whether the driver pulled the 300 pounder thru the window


You would also, apparently, believe that no one slammed the door shut when Wilson attempted to exit his vehicle.. it just bounced off someone and closed on the officer

:roll:
we know the cop approached the two black men and told them thru the driver's side window to 'get the **** on the sidewalk'. he the continued past them. stopped and put the SUV in reverse coming alongside the two men
now i am of the belief he drove in that manner to get close to the two men. otherwise, he could have stopped the car instead of reversing it, and still confronted both men. only not in such a close manner
so, that then causes me to believe there is a possibility that the reversed car, approaching the men to get close to them, got so close that there was no room to open the door, confirming the witnesses' accounts
 
where are the indications that he was innocent but fired for racial bigotry anyway

The former captain (or someone high up) indicated he was not one of hte problem individuals. Realize, there is a big difference between being fired for cause, which seems to be what you are looking at, and a job or company being disbanded or closed.
 
The former captain (or someone high up) indicated he was not one of hte problem individuals. Realize, there is a big difference between being fired for cause, which seems to be what you are looking at, and a job or company being disbanded or closed.

there is a difference between elimination a position and eliminating the person who fills that position
in this instance, the city eliminated the person and not the position
 
so, that then causes me to believe there is a possibility that the reversed car, approaching the men to get close to them, got so close that there was no room to open the door, confirming the witnesses' accounts

Yes, it's all just another super clumsy white guy.. Much like it was with George Zimmerman running into trees, tripping and falling and whatever other incredulous concoctions Trayvon's supporters came up with to explain away the injuries.
 
there is a difference between elimination a position and eliminating the person who fills that position
in this instance, the city eliminated the person and not the position

Allow me to assist:

Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson once a member of police force disbanded over racial tension: report* - NY Daily News

The white cop who killed unarmed black teen Michael Brown on Aug. 9 was once part of a Missouri police force that was disbanded over racial tensions in the community it served.

Officer Darren Wilson was a member of the 45-employee Jennings, Mo., Police Department that was fired by its city council in 2011 and replaced by St. Louis County Police, the Washington Post reported.

Wilson, 28, didn’t rack up any disciplinary issues during his tenure in Jennings, but the nearly all-white police force came under fire for its poor relations with the predominantly black community.

Wilson, who was raised in Texas, was among the officers given the chance to reapply for their jobs, but he left Jennings for the nearby Ferguson Police Department.

Instead, he went to Ferguson, which was a step-up and recieved a raise.
 
No, of course not. But the physical evidence that has been leaked also doesn't conclude who started the physical altercation, or exactly what happened during the entire fight. It does indicate that Brown likely did have his hand on Wilson's gun. Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him, is a question only Michael Brown could have answered, but it would appear to give Wilson a legitimate reason to pull the trigger while he was in the car.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Brown initiated an attack on a police officer but didn't bother to first drop the cigarillos he was holding. Additionally, the fact that he handed the cigarillos to Johnson mid-altercation makes me think that he was taken by surprise when Wilson escalated the situation to the level where he drew his gun. But I'll concede that just because it doesn't make sense, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

But it makes sense that the cop sitting in the car just pulled his gun on an unarmed teen while remaining seated and not even opening the door? (And it's definitely not procedure.) The latest account from the cop says Brown punched him thru the lowered window, assaulting him, and then he drew the gun to defend himself. To me, while not proven, at least makes some sense.

He was a teen...a very reactionary stage with often poor judgment. I doubt he planned to punch the cop when he was called over to the car. Maybe something the cop said insulted him or pissed him off. Speculation on what caused the reaction, of course. The teen had just robbed a store and threatened another man...probably still amped up on adrenaline, reacting to a probable arrest on that. Again, yes speculation except for the robbery and threat part.
 
Because Brown may have thought that Wilson was some "Klansman with a badge." Taking something that I said Brown may have been thinking and outright accusing me of thinking it is completely inappropriate.

If he thought that, it's not rational. Is that how he considered every cop? If so, it was pure Darwinism that killed him then. Police and their authority have to be considered at least somewhat realistically.

However I believe that is your view, not Brown's.
 
First, there's no proof that Wilson was assaulted... unless there's some medical evidence that hasn't come out yet.

He was taken to the hospital with at least facial injuries.
 
That's America, you can believe whatever you want.

Sure, but you can still have your credibility discredited when you do so in a discussion if it's nonsense.
 
Sure, but you can still have your credibility discredited when you do so in a discussion if it's nonsense.

You are trying to argue that it is nonsense to think that a citizen of Ferguson, MO might have a deep-rooted mistrust of the police. You aren't in a position to lecture anyone about nonsense.
 
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