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Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

Tettsuo said:
Both said there was a tussle.

Both also said the officer started shooting in the vehicle.
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Why are you downplaying assault on a uniformed officer, and the grapple for his weapon as a "tussle"?
 
JC_CT said:
How is Tettsuo downplaying anything?

"Both said..."

As in, that's what they said.
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Hmmmm...Really? Show me where the witnesses used the word "tussle"....
 
j-mac said:
Hmmmm...Really? Show me where the witnesses used the word "tussle"....
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and if they failed to use that word when describing the interaction does that then mean no 'tussle' happened?
 
justabubba said:
and if they failed to use that word when describing the interaction does that then mean no 'tussle' happened?
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No, "tussle" is being used to downplay what actually happened, which is assault on a police officer, attempted murder of a police officer, failure to obey lawful commands of a police officer, not to mention suspicion of strong arm robbery, and possession of stolen goods...

So can we just dispense with the dishonesty of trying to make it out like Brown just got in a little slap fight with Wilson please...It's just stupid.
 
apdst said:
Are those links to accounts given by Johnson, Mitchel and the other girl? I was very specific.
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The first link is Johnson, the second link is Crenshaw (the "other girl"), and the third link is Mitchell.

Mitchell uses the word tussle in the link I provided. Not sure if Crenshaw does in that video, but she definitely uses it later on in an interview with CNN CNN.com - Transcripts.
 
j-mac said:
No, "tussle" is being used to downplay what actually happened, which is assault on a police officer, attempted murder of a police officer, failure to obey lawful commands of a police officer, not to mention suspicion of strong arm robbery, and possession of stolen goods...

So can we just dispense with the dishonesty of trying to make it out like Brown just got in a little slap fight with Wilson please...It's just stupid.
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Call the use of the word "tussle" by Crenshaw and Mitchell anything you want, and one could argue with you but not prove you wrong.

However, claiming that they didn't use that exact word is easily disprovable when we have them on video using that exact word.
 
JC_CT said:
Call the use of the word "tussle" by Crenshaw and Mitchell anything you want, and one could argue with you but not prove you wrong.

However, claiming that they didn't use that exact word is easily disprovable when we have them on video using that exact word.
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Do you think that "tussle" is a apt description of assault on a police officer, or attempted murder of a police officer?
 
Blue_State said:
Start up the riot machine.
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Likely the case unfortunately. Reason I absolutely despise the race merchants. Will they be rushing in to urge calm? Doubt it, no money in it for them.
 
JC_CT said:
The first link is Johnson, the second link is Crenshaw (the "other girl"), and the third link is Mitchell.

Mitchell uses the word tussle in the link I provided. Not sure if Crenshaw does in that video, but she definitely uses it later on in an interview with CNN CNN.com - Transcripts.
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Thats the first time I heard any of them admit that Brown went for Wilson's gun.
 
j-mac said:
Do you think that "tussle" is a apt description of assault on a police officer, or attempted murder of a police officer?
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No, of course not. But the physical evidence that has been leaked also doesn't conclude who started the physical altercation, or exactly what happened during the entire fight. It does indicate that Brown likely did have his hand on Wilson's gun. Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him, is a question only Michael Brown could have answered, but it would appear to give Wilson a legitimate reason to pull the trigger while he was in the car.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Brown initiated an attack on a police officer but didn't bother to first drop the cigarillos he was holding. Additionally, the fact that he handed the cigarillos to Johnson mid-altercation makes me think that he was taken by surprise when Wilson escalated the situation to the level where he drew his gun. But I'll concede that just because it doesn't make sense, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
apdst said:
Thats the first time I heard any of them admit that Brown went for Wilson's gun.
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Where in the word did you get that from? The "unidentified female"??? That's Josie, purportedly telling Darren Wilson's version.
 
j-mac said:
Why are you downplaying assault on a uniformed officer, and the grapple for his weapon as a "tussle"?
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The woman called it a tussle.

Why not just admit that you're wrong about the witnesses saying very clearly they saw the struggle when you said they didn't say there was a struggle?

In any case, the blood does not negate what the witnesses said, it in fact supports their statements... as well as Officer Wilson's account. The blood does not negate the one or the other. Why are you claiming it does?
 
j-mac said:
No, "tussle" is being used to downplay what actually happened, which is assault on a police officer, attempted murder of a police officer, failure to obey lawful commands of a police officer, not to mention suspicion of strong arm robbery, and possession of stolen goods...

So can we just dispense with the dishonesty of trying to make it out like Brown just got in a little slap fight with Wilson please...It's just stupid.
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First, there's no proof that Wilson was assaulted... unless there's some medical evidence that hasn't come out yet.
Second, we also don't have proof that Brown was going for the gun.
Third, it's interesting that the statement you're supporting is one made by the defendant, months after the incident and evidence was made available. Not the statements of the 8 unbiased witnesses that all have a very similar recollection of the events that made statements very soon after the shooting. Don't you, for a minute, find that just a little suspicious?
 
JC_CT said:
No, of course not. But the physical evidence that has been leaked also doesn't conclude who started the physical altercation, or exactly what happened during the entire fight. It does indicate that Brown likely did have his hand on Wilson's gun. Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him, is a question only Michael Brown could have answered, but it would appear to give Wilson a legitimate reason to pull the trigger while he was in the car.
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That is absurd...We have a dead suspect that assaulted a police officer, whom was moments earlier involved in a strong arm robbery, against a cop that has NO record, or even ONE complaint of any racial incident throughout his career. Now all of the sudden he was some Klansman with a badge? Nah, not buyin' it....

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Brown initiated an attack on a police officer but didn't bother to first drop the cigarillos he was holding. Additionally, the fact that he handed the cigarillos to Johnson mid-altercation makes me think that he was taken by surprise when Wilson escalated the situation to the level where he drew his gun. But I'll concede that just because it doesn't make sense, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Look, this isn't just some guy on the street we are talking about here. This is a uniformed police officer, on duty, in a marked police vehicle. Brown supporters seem to think that the police who may have had suspicion at the time to go back and question Brown again after telling him and his friend to leave the roadway, and believing that he may have had something to do with the robbery that came in over the radio. In either case that is his job.

Do you want police out there that don't approach suspects? It's his job.
 
j-mac said:
That is absurd...We have a dead suspect that assaulted a police officer, whom was moments earlier involved in a strong arm robbery, against a cop that has NO record, or even ONE complaint of any racial incident throughout his career. Now all of the sudden he was some Klansman with a badge? Nah, not buyin' it....



Look, this isn't just some guy on the street we are talking about here. This is a uniformed police officer, on duty, in a marked police vehicle. Brown supporters seem to think that the police who may have had suspicion at the time to go back and question Brown again after telling him and his friend to leave the roadway, and believing that he may have had something to do with the robbery that came in over the radio. In either case that is his job.

Do you want police out there that don't approach suspects? It's his job.
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Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said he was a "Klansman with a badge" nor did I even imply that it was in any way a racially motivated incident.
 
Tettsuo said:
The woman called it a tussle.
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Tsk, of course she did...I saw that in your article. It still doesn't mean that she wasn't trying to downplay what happened.

Why not just admit that you're wrong about the witnesses saying very clearly they saw the struggle when you said they didn't say there was a struggle?
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I never said that they didn't see a struggle, I was focusing on the use of the word "tussle" to downplay assault on a police officer, and attempted murder of a police officer...Please don't make things up.

In any case, the blood does not negate what the witnesses said, it in fact supports their statements... as well as Officer Wilson's account. The blood does not negate the one or the other. Why are you claiming it does?
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Oh, you mean her account where she tried to say that Brown was pulling away, and Wilson was pulling in? Give me a break...:roll:

First, there's no proof that Wilson was assaulted... unless there's some medical evidence that hasn't come out yet.
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:lamo are you joking here? Wilson was taken to the hospital, and treated and released...The medical evidence will come out either at trial, or after the GJ is done with it...

Second, we also don't have proof that Brown was going for the gun.
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Circumstances certainly point to that being the likely course of events, such as GPR on Brown's hand, and the gunshot wound in the hand from close range, like inside the SUV. So, yeah, I think he was absolutely going for the gun and was shot in the hand....

Third, it's interesting that the statement you're supporting is one made by the defendant, months after the incident and evidence was made available. Not the statements of the 8 unbiased witnesses that all have a very similar recollection of the events that made statements very soon after the shooting. Don't you, for a minute, find that just a little suspicious?
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So far, these so called "unbiased" witnesses have had differing parts of their stories prove false by the evidence, so to me it seems like the ol' campfire syndrome, where everyone told a story has the general gist, but it is different enough to know that they are full of it in the end...

But, we shall have to continue to wait and see won't we...?
 
JC_CT said:
Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said he was a "Klansman with a badge" nor did I even imply that it was in any way a racially motivated incident.
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You said:

"...Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him..."


So then, now tell me why would Brown think that an officer getting out of his car, while on duty was in your words "determined to kill him"?
 
j-mac said:
You said:

"...Whether that was because he was trying to take the gun from Wilson and shoot him with it, or if it was because he thought Wilson was determined to kill him and was trying to stop him..."


So then, now tell me why would Brown think that an officer getting out of his car, while on duty was in your words "determined to kill him"?
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Because Brown may have thought that Wilson was some "Klansman with a badge." Taking something that I said Brown may have been thinking and outright accusing me of thinking it is completely inappropriate.
 
j-mac said:
Tsk, of course she did...I saw that in your article. It still doesn't mean that she wasn't trying to downplay what happened.

I never said that they didn't see a struggle, I was focusing on the use of the word "tussle" to downplay assault on a police officer, and attempted murder of a police officer...Please don't make things up.

Oh, you mean her account where she tried to say that Brown was pulling away, and Wilson was pulling in? Give me a break...:roll:

:lamo are you joking here? Wilson was taken to the hospital, and treated and released...The medical evidence will come out either at trial, or after the GJ is done with it...

Circumstances certainly point to that being the likely course of events, such as GPR on Brown's hand, and the gunshot wound in the hand from close range, like inside the SUV. So, yeah, I think he was absolutely going for the gun and was shot in the hand....

So far, these so called "unbiased" witnesses have had differing parts of their stories prove false by the evidence, so to me it seems like the ol' campfire syndrome, where everyone told a story has the general gist, but it is different enough to know that they are full of it in the end...

But, we shall have to continue to wait and see won't we...?
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It's strange that everyone but Darren Wilson has some bias or is totally unreliable, isn't it?

Look, we can't have an honest discussion if you can't be objective. Officer Wilson was standing outside for some time before the body of Mr. Brown was removed. No one saw these injuries. Let's say he was struck, the only time Wilson had the right to use deadly force was when Wilson was at the vehicle's window. Once they disengaged, Wilson does not have to right to shoot him unless he actually did charge, as Wilson claimed.

But, there are 8 people that say otherwise.

You can believe the defendant, fighting for his freedom, but not 8 unaffiliated sources... right.
 
Tettsuo said:
It's strange that everyone but Darren Wilson has some bias or is totally unreliable, isn't it?

Look, we can't have an honest discussion if you can't be objective. Officer Wilson was standing outside for some time before the body of Mr. Brown was removed. No one saw these injuries. Let's say he was struck, the only time Wilson had the right to use deadly force was when Wilson was at the vehicle's window. Once they disengaged, Wilson does not have to right to shoot him unless he actually did charge, as Wilson claimed.

But, there are 8 people that say otherwise.

You can believe the defendant, fighting for his freedom, but not 8 unaffiliated sources... right.
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the expert investigators are saying the evidence is pointing toward the Officer's story being the correct one. I'll take their word over your "unaffiliated sources" every day of the week.
 
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