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Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

Every witness reports that Brown was not a threat when he was killed.
Wrong.
Moving toward the Officer does not make him a non threat. :doh
 
One witness has come out and said Brown's hands were not up in surrender and he kept coming towards Wilson despite being told to stop - even if that same witness still believes it to be murder not that his opinion on that subject matters..

Can please quote the witness? I believe the witness, if we're talking about the same one, stated that Brown was holding his "stomach" and stumbling forward. Not charging Wilson.
 
Can please quote the witness? I believe the witness, if we're talking about the same one, stated that Brown was holding his "stomach" and stumbling forward. Not charging Wilson.

That is your opinion. Now, unless you are a member of Law Enforcement, and can articulate where training says that an officer under threat of bodily harm, or life is supposed to let a threat continue toward him or her then your opinion is ALL it is...

I understand it is a tragedy that young Mr. Brown was killed in this altercation, and that you don't think he should have been, but you are not the officer, or LE of any kind, so we have yet to hear more evidence on the case in that respect...If there is something that Officer Wilson did wrong concerning this, then the GJ will indict, if not case closed.
 
Can please quote the witness? I believe the witness, if we're talking about the same one, stated that Brown was holding his "stomach" and stumbling forward. Not charging Wilson.

Try the witness in this video starting at 06:55.


He was surprised and thought that the Officer was missing Brown because Brown kept moving towards him. Which is not stumbling, though he obviously did stumble later.
 
Try the witness in this video starting at 06:55.


He was surprised and thought that the Officer was missing Brown because Brown kept moving towards him. Which is not stumbling, though he obviously did stumble later.


I wish I could find it, but I remember there was a report at the recent gathering for LE SWAT teams in Texas, and the press was all over it. Anyway, there was a liberal reporter that was invited to go through one of the live screen simulators that depicted a very similar scene to that of the Brown shooting...When the liberal reporter emptied her clip into the man on the screen, her response was something to the effect, "He continued to come at me, so I stopped him..." That's exactly right.
 
Can please quote the witness? I believe the witness, if we're talking about the same one, stated that Brown was holding his "stomach" and stumbling forward. Not charging Wilson.

Wouldn't even know how to locate it again. However, as I recall.. The guy said he saw Brown come towards the officer, the officer said stop then shot. Brown continued coming and the officer shot again. It's possible it may have been a stumble during that second vollley.. But that doesn't really matter to what the cop saw/interpreted it and his fear for life after having just been beaten..
 
Wrong again. In addition,; WTF are you talking about?

Nothing has been made up except for that by the witnesses that supported Dorian Johnson's account.
That has already been proven.

So again.
We already know the publicly known accounts which supported Johnson's, and by virtue, Brown, were not credible.
They have been falling apart from the get, from claims being outright false to changing to fit the known forensics.
Of course those accounts, as known, have no credibility.
What is not known is what these folks told investigators or the GJ if they testified.

He wasn't shot in the back as claimed. They didn't see that, and were just mimicking Dorian's false account. And yes, their claim has already been proven to be false.
Then they changed their stories about his hands being up. To they were just up a little, to they were just going up. Clearly demonstrating that they lied.

And yet here you are accusing me of making things up (when I clearly haven't) when it was them who did so. All you have done is expose your ignorance of the subject. :lamo

You are the one obviously making things up about others. So stop making things up.

Please show me the report that hasn't been completed yet stating that the witnesses stories does not match up. I don't give a damn about any right wing or left wing bloggers. For your education, those are called opinions. I don't give a damn about leaks because there have been "leaks" in past cases that ended up being false. So please show me the examiner report or a official grand jury statement that says that the Brown's witnesses were false.
 
Try the witness in this video starting at 06:55.


He was surprised and thought that the Officer was missing Brown because Brown kept moving towards him. Which is not stumbling, though he obviously did stumble later.


I could barely hear the guy talking because of the camera man talking and the loud chick across the street. I don't know. One can say that he was moving toward the cop with his hands up like "Look I surrender, stop shooting at me" If he ran at him like you want to believe, then why didn't the witness just say that he was running at the cop? And from that distance, was Brown suicidal? Did he want die? If that was the case why did he run the first time?
 
Holder, what a joke...

He's mad that the Grand Jury leaked information that could " shape public opinion " ??

What a hypocrite. He's been trying to " shape public opinion " since the shooting.
 
Was Brown having a psychotic episode of irrational behavior and irrational thinking?

Was it negligent for Wilson to approach Brown after the first encounter, in which two shots were fired?

Was it negligent for Wilson to get out of his patrol car, when Brown was moving away? Would it have been more prudent for Wilson have waited for back-up to arrive, before getting out of his car, or giving orders for Brown to get on the ground?

The autopsy report and blood inside Wilson's SUV gives evidence that verifies an altercation inside the SUV. How does the evidence of an altercation inside the SUV, help to determine the motivation of Wilson to further antagonize Brown, by getting out of his SUV, when Brown was moving away from Wilson?

Was it negligent for Wilson to believe that Brown might submit to arrest, by one officer, after the first altercation with Brown?

Was Wilson acting out of Anger at Brown, when Wilson attempted to arrest Brown outside the SUV? Did Wilson claim self-defense at the point of time when Brown was moving away from the SUV and Wilson was getting out of the SUV to arrest Brown? How can the Grand Jury know that Wilson was not acting out of Anger when Wilson was initially trying to arrest Brown, after exiting the SUV?

If Wilson was negligent, in some way, then the charge could be Manslaughter. If Wilson acted in Anger at some point, then the charge could be murder. Would it not be logical for a policeman to feel anger after having to fire two shots to scare off Brown in close combat?

When police encounter a person having a psychotic episode, should officers be trained to wait for enough back-up, so that deadly force can be avoided, when there is time to wait for back-up?

Was it negligent for Wilson to antagonize Brown by cursing at Brown?

Was it negligent for Wilson to back up his SUV in such a manner as to frighten Brown and the witness who was walking with Brown? Was that a threat of deadly force? Was deadly force justified at the time of backing-up incident?


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Was it a crime of assault for Wilson to back up his SUV, moving close enough to Dorian Johnson and Brown, so as to cause them fear of bodily harm?

Was it assault for Wilson to open his SUV door, pushing against Brown, when Brown was standing near the door?

If Wilson engaged in Assault, before attempting to arrest Brown, was this negligent behavior, leading to Brown's death? Is there probable cause to indict for Manslaughter?

What was the reason that Wilson could not wait fro back-up before getting out of his SUV?
Or at least letting Brown get a little further away, and still keeping him in sight?


Will Rogers, I believe, said, "A grand jury can indict a Ham sandwich."


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Was it a crime of assault for Wilson to back up his SUV, moving close enough to Dorian Johnson and Brown, so as to cause them fear of bodily harm?

Was it assault for Wilson to open his SUV door, pushing against Brown, when Brown was standing near the door?

If Wilson engaged in Assault, before attempting to arrest Brown, was this negligent behavior, leading to Brown's death? Is there probable cause to indict for Manslaughter?

What was the reason that Wilson could not wait fro back-up before getting out of his SUV?
Or at least letting Brown get a little further away, and still keeping him in sight?


Will Rogers, I believe, said,
"A grand jury can indict a Ham sandwich."


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Please show me the report that hasn't been completed yet stating that the witnesses stories does not match up. I don't give a damn about any right wing or left wing bloggers. For your education, those are called opinions. I don't give a damn about leaks because there have been "leaks" in past cases that ended up being false. So please show me the examiner report or a official grand jury statement that says that the Brown's witnesses were false.
You seem confused. It's like you are so wrapped up in your own bias that you willfully refuse to see reality or pay attention to what has been provided.


He wasn't shot in the back as claimed. Did you get that? Did you not realize the truth of that statement base on the forensics that was released?

Those witnesses didn't see that. It was nothing more than a fabrication, which has already been proven untrue.

Then they changed their stories about his hands being up. To they were just up a little, to they were just going up. Clearly demonstrating that they lied.
Did you get that?
Their publicly released statements about his hands being up changed.

I do not need to provide any blogger or any left wing source to prove that.
If you can't listen to what they publicly claimed and realize that their accounts of his hands being up changed as stated, as well as their accounts of Brown being shot in the back being shown to be completely false by the known forensics that has been publicly released, then that problem resides totally with you.

So again, as I stated.
We already know the publicly known accounts which supported Johnson's, and by virtue, Brown, were not credible.
They have been falling apart from the get, from claims being outright false to changing to fit the known forensics.
Of course those accounts, as known, have no credibility.
What is not known is what these folks told investigators or the GJ if they testified.


I could barely hear the guy talking because of the camera man talking and the loud chick across the street. I don't know. One can say that he was moving toward the cop with his hands up like "Look I surrender, stop shooting at me" If he ran at him like you want to believe, then why didn't the witness just say that he was running at the cop? And from that distance, was Brown suicidal? Did he want die? If that was the case why did he run the first time?
And again.
Brown was moving towards the Officer while he was told not to, and he continued to advance on the Officer even though the Officer was firing on him.
And no his hands were not up in a surrender position. While surrendering, one does not continue to move towards the Officer once told not to, especially not while being fired upon.


And as I already pointed out to you, we have no idea what the supposed witnesses have told the GJ, or if their accounts even match what they said publicly.
While the 7 to 8 black witnesses that has been reported to be supporting Officers Wilson's account could be different, for all we know they may be the same witnesses that have already spoken out publicly.
 
Does a Grand Jury have to consider defenses, for which it is the duty of the defendant to assert?

in MO, Self Defense is an excuse, that can be asserted by the defendant.

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•MO 563.074. Justification as an absolute defense, when.
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Missouri

Missouri Revised Statutes (M.R.S.) Chapter 563. Defense of Justification 563.074. Justification as an absolute defense, when. 1. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 563.016, a person who uses force as described in sections 563.031, 563.041, 563.046, 563.051, 563.056, and 563.061 is justified in using such force and such fact shall be an absolute defense to criminal prosecution or civil liability. 2. The court shall award attorney’s fees, court costs, and all reasonable expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant has an absolute defense as provided …"




Law of Self Defense – Missouri

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No True Bill from the Grand Jury will not help Wilson. Jay Nixon will appoint a special prosecutor.

"In a letter sent to Nixon on Monday, attorney Benjamin Crump said a recent move by the county prosecutor’s office to place on hold all cases involving Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson, who shot and killed Brown in August, “clearly raises an issue of concern.” The letter states that Wilson, “as the arresting officer and primary witness for many of the prosecution’s current cases, has developed a special working relationship with Mr. McCulloch and his office.”

“As a potential defendant who would be prosecuted by the same office if indicted, Wilson would impact the administration of justice. In light of recent developments, the appointment of a special prosecutor is now necessary more than ever, both to protect the appearance of a possible conflict of interest and to ensure that no bias exists,” Crump wrote in the letter. “For the sake of impartiality and the fair administration of justice, we ask that you appoint a special prosecutor to handle the prosecution into the death of Michael Brown, Jr.”


Michael Brown's family to Gov. Jay Nixon: Appoint new prosecutor | MSNBC



"At first, TCT contributor “sundance” studied enlarged photos taken at the scene of the shooting, and noticed what initially appeared to be a spent bullet shell casing laying on the pavement next to Wilson’s vehicle.
Upon closer analysis, it occurred to sundance that the bright, shiny, gold-colored item in the image was not a spent shell casing at all; that it was instead a bracelet which had been worn by Johnson just prior to the incident, as shown by the surveillance video from the convenience store Brown and Johnson had just robbed.
In the video, Johnson can be seen wearing something on his right wrist which, upon inspection, resembles the bright item laying on the pavement in the photo of the shooting scene, by Wilson’s vehicle.
In his first recorded video statement to media at the scene just after the shooting, Johnson can clearly be seen with no bracelet on his right wrist–only some sort of elastic-looking band on his left wrist. One is compelled by all this to ask: If Dorian Johnson was not involved in the physical confrontation between Brown and Wilson, then how did his bracelet wind up on the ground next to Wilson’s patrol vehicle? "

New Evidence Indicates Michael Brown’s Friend Joined Attack On Ferguson Cop

Does Dorian Johnson have immunity? Full Immunity for testifying?


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