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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Or are you "being racists" in separating witness by skin color? If a witness is telling the truth it should not matter what race they are.

    Latest I heard today is there are 6? black witnesses that collaborate Wilson's statements.
    Report: Several Black Witnesses Largely Back Up Officer's Account Of Michael Brown Shooting


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    From the article itself:

    Many of the witnesses to Brown's death who have come forward have told the same basic story about Brown's final moments, saying that Brown was attempting to surrender and had his hands in the air when the officer fired the fatal shots. But there have been a string of recent leaks of information that backs up Wilson's account of the confrontation.
    Case of selective reading?
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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Or are you "being racists" in separating witness by skin color? If a witness is telling the truth it should not matter what race they are.

    Latest I heard today is there are 6? black witnesses that collaborate Wilson's statements.
    Report: Several Black Witnesses Largely Back Up Officer's Account Of Michael Brown Shooting


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    Considering that the neighborhood was over 90% black, no I'm not being racist in separating witnesses by skin color. All I'm saying is that practically all of the pro Wilson crowd will say that the any black witness is not credible if they support brown because "blacks support blacks".

    Now as for the six black witnesses that are said to support Wilson. Are you suggesting that their credibility is all of a sudden higher than those in support of Brown? Who is to say that these people had problems with Brown? I would like to see them cross examine before passing judgement.

    However, I highly doubt this case goes to trial. Thats why I'm not even getting worked up about it.

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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Case of selective reading?
    Ultimately, the Grand Jury will be examining multiple sources of data including the autopsy report, forensic evidence, medical reports, and witness accounts. If the autopsy report, forensic evidence, and medical reports are generally consistent with/supportive of one set of witness accounts, the Grand Jury will have more confidence in that set of witness accounts. The Grand Jury's decision will be evidence-based.

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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    No, his discharge was not for racial bigotry.
    actually, his dismissal from the police force WAS for racial bigotry
    the entire force was terminated because of it
    No, as you were already told, this is your bigotry speaking. As his discharge actually was not for your perceived "racial bigotry", but because his position no longer existed.

    It is like you do not know what the terms you are using and the ones reported means.

    When something is disbanded it no longer exists. Duh!
    They formed a new force with new positions. Duh!

    And even this "racial bigotry" is made up bs.
    Racial tensions is what was reported.
    Those tensions could be from anything from falsely perceived injustices to real ones.

    So can the bs,. He was not terminated because of, or for, any bigotry.
    He was terminated because his job no longer existed.
    And as Buck pointed out, he was welcome to apply for a new job that came into existence with the creation of the new force.


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    That is your bigotry speaking
    .no. my information tracks news stories such as this one:
    No. That clearly was your racial bigotry in calling it "racial bigotry".
    Especially as what you just provided clearly states racial tensions, which does not automatically equate to "racial bigotry", and for all we know, could solely be based on the false perceptions of the community alone.


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    His discharge was because his job no longer existed because the Department was disbanded.
    yes, that job continued to exist. only it was filled instead by another LEO who was found not to be tainted by a history of racist behavior
    every member of that jennings police department was fired. because of the persistence of racial bigotry they exhibited. including the shooter of the young black man
    Wrong.
    You clearly do not know what disband means.
    That job no longer existed as that force was disbanded and a new one created.
    And as already pointed out to you by buck, he was welcome to apply for a new position within that new force.


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Why it was disbanded was not attributable to him.
    and one must question why a innocent would have been fired for racist actions while serving as a law enforcement officer
    No. Simply nonsense.
    It had nothing to do with his actions, and as such, is not a reason to make such absurd queries.


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    And he had a clean record at that department.
    now, let's all ponder ...
    There is no reason to ponder anything.
    The force was disbanded. It had nothing to do with his actions and he was welcome to apply for a position with the new force.
    All you want to do is try to cast ridiculous aspersion upon him.
    The crap you are spitting doesn't fly.
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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Evidently, all the witnesses are saying is that there was a struggle in the car. This much as already been established.

    Wilson, however, needs alot more than that. He must show that the struggle in the car was severe enough that attempting to use lethal force was justified and he must show that what ever happened outside the car was justified with a lethal force response.

    Sure, the Brown, the not so gentle giant could have been a crazed anti authority zealot. He might have attacked Wilson in the car. He could have ignored his own wounds and also could have ignored the fact that Wilson was very willing to us his weapon. He then might have made series of "all or nothing" banzai charges against Wilson- maybe like ISIS combines with Tupac Shakur.

    Meanwhile, the federal agents that Leonard Peltier killed (aim shoot out on Pine Ridge), might have been part of a right wing death squad. They might have been trying to murder Peltier and other native americans in the area. Being possible zealots, they might have ignored the fact that they were heavily out numbered and initiated a banzai charge in a car....

    Or, maybe both Officer Wilson and Leonar Peltier need to change some maybes,into probablys and definetlies using hard evidence rather than their word alone? I am not comparing Wilson to Peltier. Peltier committed first degree murder. Wilson was acting in the line of duty, but he may well have committed a crime.

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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    From the article itself:

    Many of the witnesses to Brown's death who have come forward have told the same basic story about Brown's final moments, saying that Brown was attempting to surrender and had his hands in the air when the officer fired the fatal shots. But there have been a string of recent leaks of information that backs up Wilson's account of the confrontation.
    Case of selective reading?
    You realize that a comparison is being made there, right?

    The witnesses that have come forward already, for the most part, have not been credible.
    So continue reading below.


    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Now as for the six black witnesses that are said to support Wilson. Are you suggesting that their credibility is all of a sudden higher than those in support of Brown? Who is to say that these people had problems with Brown? I would like to see them cross examine before passing judgement.
    "Over a half-dozen black witnesses" is more than six.
    But you were asking if they are more credible. Of course they are.
    We already know the publicly known accounts which supported Johnson's, and by virtue, Brown, were not credible.
    They have been falling apart from the get, from claims being outright false to changing to fit the known forensics.
    Of course those accounts, as known, have no credibility.
    What is not known is what these folks told investigators or the GJ if they testified.

    It was reported that Dorian is in protective custody. It is not reasonable to believe that such PC is from Police, or for telling his publicly known account again. But it is reasonable to believe his PC is from his local community. Which would indicate that he testified to a different account of what happened.
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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Wilson, however, needs alot more than that. He must show that the struggle in the car was severe enough that attempting to use lethal force was justified and he must show that what ever happened outside the car was justified with a lethal force response.

    Struggle confirmed.
    Residue found on Brown.

    Wilson's claim that Brown was going for his firearm is credible and nothing more than that really needs to be shown for use to be justified.

    Brown was advancing on the Officer.
    That is a known and established threat advancing on an Officer. So again, nothing more than that really needs to be shown for use to be justified.
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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ultimately, the Grand Jury will be examining multiple sources of data including the autopsy report, forensic evidence, medical reports, and witness accounts. If the autopsy report, forensic evidence, and medical reports are generally consistent with/supportive of one set of witness accounts, the Grand Jury will have more confidence in that set of witness accounts. The Grand Jury's decision will be evidence-based.

    For purposes of Indictment, the Grand Jury may decide to resolve conflicts in testimony in the light most favorable to the prosecution, in assessing Probable Cause, in handing down an indictment. It is the function of the Trial Court to test the weight of the evidence, in assessing what evidence is beyond a Reasonable Doubt.


    "A layman could bring a bill of indictment to the grand jury; if the grand jury found there was sufficient evidence for a trial, that the act was a crime under law, and that the court had jurisdiction, it would return the indictment to the complainant. The grand jury would then appoint the complaining party to exercise the authority of an attorney general, that is, one having a general power of attorney to represent the state in the case. The grand jury served to screen out incompetent or malicious prosecutions.[15] The advent of official public prosecutors in the later decades of the 19th century largely displaced private prosecutions."

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    "While all states have provisions in their laws that allow for grand juries, roughly half of the states don't use them. Courts often use preliminary hearings prior to criminal trials, instead of grand juries, which are adversarial in nature. As with grand juries, preliminary hearings are meant to determine whether there is enough evidence, or probable cause, to indict a criminal suspect.


    Unlike a grand jury, a preliminary hearing is usually open to the public and involves lawyers and a judge (not so with grand juries, other than the prosecutor). Sometimes, a preliminary hearing proceeds a grand jury. One of the biggest differences between the two is the requirement that a defendant request a preliminary hearing, although the court may decline a request. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html#sthash.u3DAKh0l.dpuf"

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...jury-work.html




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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    From the article itself:



    Case of selective reading?
    and there are those witnesses that support the LEO. "witnesses gave testimony before the grand jury that was "consistent" with Wilson's " account,.." from the article I posted.

    Case of selective reading on your part?

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    Re: Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Considering that the neighborhood was over 90% black, no I'm not being racist in separating witnesses by skin color. All I'm saying is that practically all of the pro Wilson crowd will say that the any black witness is not credible if they support brown because "blacks support blacks".

    Now as for the six black witnesses that are said to support Wilson. Are you suggesting that their credibility is all of a sudden higher than those in support of Brown? Who is to say that these people had problems with Brown? I would like to see them cross examine before passing judgement.

    However, I highly doubt this case goes to trial. Thats why I'm not even getting worked up about it.
    Nope. if you recall I have stated that a witness statement needs to be collaborated with other evidence.

    With what evidence that has been released in the press, which witness testimony is more likely being supported?

    I also doubt the Grand Jury will recommend charges being filed. Lets hope if that happens the citizens don't riot.

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