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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Honestly, I think the bigger problem for Turkey is to come to some sort of accommodation with the 18% of its population who are Kurd. Erdogan's Kurdish Initiative was the right thing to do, but banning political parties and tossing their members in prison because they're seen as subversive is counterproductive. We saw that the PKK was willing to negotiate ceasefires and even withdraw its soldiers to Northern Iraq, but Turkey's failure until recently to even permit entry of non-lethal aid in Kobani has enraged the Kurds. Dropping bombs on them isn't likely to reduce the threat from them, either. A better path is dialogue. Turkey has a great opportunity here to create goodwill with the Kurds if it aids them against ISIS. Turkey should understand also that if it doesn't confront ISIS, which seems to appeal to some young Muslim Turks, it will have a much larger "historical problem" within its borders.

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    There is no such things like banning a political party; especially The pro-kurdish parties are free in Turkey, and There is now two pro-kurdish parties in the Turkish parliement, one of which is HDP with 27 representitives, and DBP with 1representitive. However, both of them are still in the same frame with PKK terrorists; If you read their statements and their actions, you can make the same conclusion. For example, 3 weeks ago the leader of HDP Selahattin Demirtaş called his voters for street protests; however, that protest turned into what could not be called a protest but something else, The result of that ''protest'' was nearly 40 civilians died, more than 1000 buildings including primary schools, library, blood donation centers, political parties' buildings, more than 1000 cars including ambulances, civilian cars etc were burnt.

    Those attacks had been done after the call of a political party, That political party is still in Turkish parliement without feeling any guilt.

    in last week PM Davutoğlu announced that the intel reports show that A symbolic amount of terrorists in Turkey have been withdrawn into Iraq that is in control of North Iraq and central Iraq government, both of whom are in power after USA intervention. Those terrorists should all have been withdrawn before the peace meetings started, also that was the first condition to start that process, but A terrorist organisation did not keep it in the first place, but Davutoğlu still continued that process.

    Also Cemil Bayık,one of the ''leaders'' of pkk terrorist organisation, declared that They had sent those terrorists back into Turkey.


    Turkey follows a reasonable and long term policy, she says The coalition should not fight with the IS alone, she should instead fight with Assad as well; otherwise it is today the IS, tomorrow will be another one unless Assad is gone.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    There is no such things like banning a political party....
    Now, you're either grossly misinformed and living in Wonderland, or you're being disingenuous:

    The decision today by Turkey's constitutional court to ban the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party demonstrates that Turkey urgently needs to reform its constitution and ensure its laws are compatible with human rights, Human Rights Watch said.

    The court found that the party had promoted Kurdish separatism and unanimously issued a ruling to close down the party permanently and exclude 37 party members from politics for five years. The Democratic Society Party was the 25th political party closed down in Turkey since 1962.

    Turkey: Kurdish Party Banned | Human Rights Watch
    Recently your government has shown an increasing tendency to move away from an open, democratic society to a more authoritarian one by cracking down on dissent. It just banned Twitter, for crying out loud. And why would you not expect the PKK to move guerrillas back into Turkey after you starting bombing it?
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Now, you're either grossly misinformed and living in Wonderland, or you're being disingenuous:



    Recently your government has shown an increasing tendency to move away from an open, democratic society to a more authoritarian one by cracking down on dissent. It just banned Twitter, for crying out loud. And why would you not expect the PKK to move guerrillas back into Turkey after you starting bombing it?
    I do not like to talk about such situations, if one side knocks the door with lack of information but full claims.

    The news you posted dates 2009, and then A law was accepted to make it very hard to ban a political party. Those two pro-kurdish political parties' members, of HDP and DBP, in Turkish parliement did oppose that solution that outlaws banning political parties...

    For 3 days PKK terrorists attacked an outpost in Dağlıca and Military did respond them accordingly, here is more detail:

    The bombarded targets had reportedly been involved in “assassination, armed incidents and attacks on security bases” after last week’s nationwide protests.
    Turkish fighter jets bomb PKK positions for first time since start of peace bid - LOCAL


    I told you A symbolic amount of PKK terrorists was withdrawn; most of them still are in Turkey. The statment of PM Davutoğlu confirms that. Also one of so called terrorists' leaders Cemil Bayık said they have sent back that group into Turkey.


    btw,I do not understand your stance here.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    I do not like to talk about such situations, if one side knocks the door with lack of information but full claims.
    It just seems as though your country is becoming more authoritarian, and that's going to create blowback (resistance--problems) for your government. This isn't just my opinion (Turkey: Authoritarian Drift Threatens Rights | Human Rights Watch).

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    For 3 days PKK terrorists attacked an outpost in Dağlıca and Military did respond them accordingly....
    Well, you had 37 people die in clashes with the government. They were upset because not only didn't Turkey help the Kobani Kurds, but it actively prevented Kurdish fighters from entering the town to provide relief. Even non-lethal aid was prevented from entering Kobani. I understand Turkey relented on some of this due to international pressure, but I think it's also in your country's interest to get these Kurds out of refugee status and back to their homes in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    btw,I do not understand your stance here.
    On the one hand I understand your (Turkey's) reluctance to help the Syrian Kurds based on the political reality. I understand meeting force with force when your soldiers are attacked because the Kurds are angry. On the other hand, Turkey is not helping itself by further alienating people who comprise almost one-fifth of the country's population. Amazingly, the PKK's Ocalan still wants to negotiate peace. You need to move mountains if necessary to make it happen (Ocalan positive about peace with Turkey).
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