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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Turkey's NATO membership should be re-examined at the next NATO get-together.
    The operation in Syria has been done by the coalition not by NATO.

    The membership of Turkey in NATO means more than you think; Actually how the USA sees it was described in the Reagen diaries. Obviously you are not aware of that diary, but we are.

    I am sick of that song of money flowed into Turkey; You should check out how much money( billions of dollars) Turkey has lost since the first gulf war, plus refugee problem, plus PKK terrorists's safe heaven in Iraq for attacks to Turkey, plus destabilization in southeastern Turkey in respect to social, economical and industrial aspects.

    If we start to compare the lost of Turkey with the aid of USA, You would be ashamed of bringing it on the table and making an argument out of it.


    as for the thread, USA seems in a policy-shifting in the region even though Kerry claims otherwise in phone call with Erdoğan. That move of helping terrorists in Ayn Al-Arab is actually a historical and strategical move compared to action which is a small step.

    USA officially recognises PKK as terrorist organisation but she supports a branch of it in Syria. USA is now sponsor of terrorism, and rough country. she supports a terrorist organisation that does attack and kill people of an ally country that recognises them terrorist.


    That is very sad. That was not worth it.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    The membership of Turkey in NATO means more than you think; Actually how the USA sees it was described in the Reagen diaries. Obviously you are not aware of that diary, but we are.
    I'm not clamoring for Turkey's removal from NATO. In the past, there's little doubt that Turkey was an extremely important and valuable strategic ally. Unfortunately, under the AKP government, Turkey's reliability has waned. Without any doubt, I am greatly disappointed by this turn of events, especially as interests alone can't justify them. Ideology is playing a role and the critical ideological difference from past Turkish governments is the AKP's ideology.

    The most optimistic appraisal is that the AKP is shifting Turkey onto a more non-aligned path, where it does not identify with U.S./Western allies/interests as closely as it once did, and its cooperation can no longer be assured. More negative appraisals exist, as well. Time will sort out the details concerning the nature of Turkey's foreign policy evolution. Hopefully, it's an AKP-related phenomenon and will prove temporary.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm not clamoring for Turkey's removal from NATO. In the past, there's little doubt that Turkey was an extremely important and valuable strategic ally. Unfortunately, under the AKP government, Turkey's reliability has waned. The most optimistic appraisal is that the AKP is shifting Turkey onto a more non-aligned path, where it does not identify with U.S./Western allies/interests as closely as it once did, and its cooperation can no longer be assured. More negative appraisals exist, as well. Time will sort out the details concerning the nature of Turkey's foreign policy evolution. Hopefully, it's an AKP-related phenomenon and will prove temporary.
    What exactly is turkey's dilemma? If the Kurds have their traditional home back, can't turkey offer its Kurdish population a chance to join the new country?
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm not clamoring for Turkey's removal from NATO. In the past, there's little doubt that Turkey was an extremely important and valuable strategic ally. Unfortunately, under the AKP government, Turkey's reliability has waned. The most optimistic appraisal is that the AKP is shifting Turkey onto a more non-aligned path, where it does not identify with U.S./Western allies/interests as closely as it once did, and its cooperation can no longer be assured. More negative appraisals exist, as well. Time will sort out the details concerning the nature of Turkey's foreign policy evolution. Hopefully, it's an AKP-related phenomenon and will prove temporary.
    Are you aware of the thread? Because you claim Turkey does not take serious the interest of USA, however, the thread says USA is supporting a terrorist organisation that has attacked Turkey for decades and caused deaths, destabilization in some part of Turkey etc.

    I can say that There will be reaction in Turkey for sure. I am just saying that will not be worth it. Arming a group of terrorist in a small town, just because to seem as hero in the eyes of public in your country at expense of ruining an alliance with a country does not seem a well-considered move/policy.

    Before USA started to invade Iraq, Turkey had done many diplomatic moves in USA and Iraq. She did those moves, because she knew that If there was an intervention, that would ruin the state organisation in Iraq, and let Iraq slip into hands of Iran due to Shia majority in Iraq; at that time Iran did whatever she could in order to drag USA into Iraq. Now the same Iran tries to keep minority in Syria in power, Ironic?

    Now there will be a shia block that controls oil in south and Russia will be in north for that duty. I do not even metnion other problems.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What exactly is turkey's dilemma? If the Kurds have their traditional home back, can't turkey offer its Kurdish population a chance to join the new country?
    Turkey's fear is that if a separate Kurdish state were established in Iraq and/or Syria, parts of Turkey that have a significant Kurdish population would attempt to break away and join the Kurdish state. That isn't an unreasonable concern. I favor Turkey's retaining its territorial integrity, but believe a negotiated framework could assure that such a situation wouldn't occur if a Kurdish state is formed in Syria and/or Iraq.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Turkey's fear is that if a separate Kurdish state were established in Iraq and/or Syria, parts of Turkey that have a significant Kurdish population would attempt to break away and join the Kurdish state. That isn't an unreasonable concern. I favor Turkey's retaining its territorial integrity, but believe a negotiated framework could assure that such a situation wouldn't occur if a Kurdish state is formed in Syria and/or Iraq.
    Turkey does not have to relinquish any teritory it just has to allow its Kurdish population the ability to move.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    Are you aware of the thread? Because you claim Turkey does not take serious the interest of USA, however, the thread says USA is supporting a terrorist organisation that has attacked Turkey for decades and caused deaths, destabilization in some part of Turkey etc.
    My initial position had been that arms should only be supplied to Syria's Kurdish defenders in exchange for a firm commitment that such assistance would not benefit the PKK. Unfortunately, Turkey's government chose a course where Kobani's security situation worsened and effectively eliminated such a conditional approach to aid.

    Before USA started to invade Iraq, Turkey had done many diplomatic moves in USA and Iraq. She did those moves, because she knew that If there was an intervention, that would ruin the state organisation in Iraq, and let Iraq slip into hands of Iran due to Shia majority in Iraq; at that time Iran did whatever she could in order to drag USA into Iraq.
    Turkey's past role was constructive. The AKP has taken Turkey on a different course that is not helpful.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    My initial position had been that arms should only be supplied to Syria's Kurdish defenders in exchange for a firm commitment that such assistance would not benefit the PKK.
    I don't think there's any realistic way to assure that doesn't happen.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I don't think there's any realistic way to assure that doesn't happen.
    After the USA intervention in Iraq, pkk terrorists have been captured with usa made weapons and ıraqi army weapons; It is later understood that peshmerge has given those weapons to PKK terrorists.

    I still do not get the point, but that will cause a historical trauma between two allies.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post
    I still do not get the point, but that will cause a historical trauma between two allies.
    Honestly, I think the bigger problem for Turkey is to come to some sort of accommodation with the 18% of its population who are Kurd. Erdogan's Kurdish Initiative was the right thing to do, but banning political parties and tossing their members in prison because they're seen as subversive is counterproductive. We saw that the PKK was willing to negotiate ceasefires and even withdraw its soldiers to Northern Iraq, but Turkey's failure until recently to even permit entry of non-lethal aid in Kobani has enraged the Kurds. Dropping bombs on them isn't likely to reduce the threat from them, either. A better path is dialogue. Turkey has a great opportunity here to create goodwill with the Kurds if it aids them against ISIS. Turkey should understand also that if it doesn't confront ISIS, which seems to appeal to some young Muslim Turks, it will have a much larger "historical problem" within its borders.

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