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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, what's ironic is that Turkey, a NATO member that has bled the American taxpayer for billions of dollars, refuses to lift a finger to stop ISIS. In fact, it's worse than that. They have turned a blind eye while thousands of 'foreign fighters' have crossed the border from Turkey to join the bloodthirsty beheaders. We should be arming the Kurds and to hell with the perfidious Turks.
    From what I understand many of these foreign fighters who don't speak Arabic are being placed in suicide squads. So why would we want anyone to stop them? It seems to me the Turks are doing the Euros a favor by letting these idiots martyr themselves. If they don't blow themselves up they'll eventually find a bomb of ours. Either way they'll be dead and no longer a threat to anyone.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    This is what I don't get. The Syrian Kurds we are supplying are members of a militia affiliated with a Marxist-Leninist organization in Turkey that the U.S. government, NATO, and the EU have designated a terrorist organization--the Kurdistan Worker's Party (Partiya KarkerÍn Kurdistan, or PKK). It's been a threat for more than three decades to a NATO ally, Turkey. This just goes to show the absurdity of our foreign policy sometimes.
    Turkey is an ally in name only. They have done nothing for their billions in foreign aid other than frustrate the US every possible time they have the opportunity to do so. It's time we stopped all aid and removed our base from Incirlik. Since the Turks won't actually let us use it, it serves no purpose.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    From what I understand many of these foreign fighters who don't speak Arabic are being placed in suicide squads. So why would we want anyone to stop them? It seems to me the Turks are doing the Euros a favor by letting these idiots martyr themselves. If they don't blow themselves up they'll eventually find a bomb of ours. Either way they'll be dead and no longer a threat to anyone.
    the people the Turks are allowing into Iraq and Syria are not suicide bombers. They are fighters. Not that the Turks give a damn. There fervent wish is that ISIS wipes every Kurd from the face of the earth, and if they happen to take a few Americans with them, so be it. Given a choice between supporting the Kurds and supporting the ISIS/Turkey coalition, the choice isn't difficult. One group wants to behead everybody they consider an Infidel, and the other doesn't.
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You would know better than I--are there any Armenians left?
    Looks like the Kurds are going going gone also .
    You mean like in Armenia? Quite a few the country became independent after the fall of the ussr
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    This is what I don't get. The Syrian Kurds we are supplying are members of a militia affiliated with a Marxist-Leninist organization in Turkey that the U.S. government, NATO, and the EU have designated a terrorist organization--the Kurdistan Worker's Party (Partiya KarkerÍn Kurdistan, or PKK). It's been a threat for more than three decades to a NATO ally, Turkey. This just goes to show the absurdity of our foreign policy sometimes.
    You don't get it because you're glossing over the most important part of the calculation. The PYD, and it's by no means clear that all of the fighters in Kobani are part of the PYD, aren't the PKK.

    It has never carried out attacks against Turkey, it has never carried out terrorist attacks, it has consistently maintained a secular pro-Western position in the areas of Syria it controls. Is it the ideal Kurdish organization? No it isn't. But there has been a standing opportunity to lever the PYD even further from the PKK than it has already strayed by engaging them more directly, something that Turkey has adamantly rejected and blocked at every turn. Efforts to supplant them with Iraqi Kurdish or KNC fighters has failed because the PYD maintains the most effective military arm in combat against the Islamists in Syria. As a result the longer the war has dragged on the more the PYD has morphed into an umbrella organization for Syrian Kurds fighting against their enemies. If we want to help the Kurds in Syria we need to help the primary body that is organizing them to fight. So that's what we did.

    Turkey will learn to live with this though I expect Erdogan will throw a tantrum as is his habit.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    From what I understand many of these foreign fighters who don't speak Arabic are being placed in suicide squads. So why would we want anyone to stop them? It seems to me the Turks are doing the Euros a favor by letting these idiots martyr themselves. If they don't blow themselves up they'll eventually find a bomb of ours. Either way they'll be dead and no longer a threat to anyone.
    Right after they blow up how many dozens of people they are fighting against?
    What could be wrong with that ?
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    No--I meant in Turkey.
    Biden sure gets in trouble when he opens his mouth on the truth doesn't he ?

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    You mean like in Armenia? Quite a few the country became independent after the fall of the ussr
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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You don't get it because you're glossing over the most important part of the calculation. The PYD, and it's by no means clear that all of the fighters in Kobani are part of the PYD, aren't the PKK.
    You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the PYD is basically the PKK's arm in Syria. The Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq supported the creation of the Kurdish National Council as a means to counter the influence of the PKK in Syria. And any claim that it is "by no means clear that all of the fighters in Kobani are part of the PYD" is disingenuous. The militia presence in Kobani is comprised largely of members of People's Protection Units--the military wing of the PYD.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the PYD is basically the PKK's arm in Syria. The Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq supported the creation of the Kurdish National Council as a means to counter the influence of the PKK in Syria. And any claim that it is "by no means clear that all of the fighters in Kobani are of the PYD" is disingenuous. The militia presence in Kobani is comprised largely of members of People's Protection Units--the military wing of the PYD.

    https://www.understandingwar.org/sit...yrianKurds.pdf
    Have you reviewed your own material? A few relevant excerpts:

    "The nature of the relationship of the PYD to the PKK is disputed, in terms of the PYDís function as a PKK front, a PKK proxy, or an ideological ally. Evidence suggests that the PYD coordinates closely with the PKK at the leadership level, but that pressure from its rank-and-file membership is pushing the PYD towards becoming its own distinctly Syrian Kurdish party, a process which will accelerate if PKK actions become more clearly counterproductive to the interests of Syrian Kurds."

    "Yet it is unclear whether the PYD operates autonomously or at the behest of external entities. Evidence suggests that the PYD absorbs external influence only to a degree, and this degree of influence changes over time and as conditions shift."

    My point was never that the PYD has no connection to the PKK. My point was that the PYD has increasingly become a distinct organization who's members are not fighting for the same objectives as the PKK. Moreover the report is nearly two years out of date and the trends highlighted in the report and that I mentioned have been accelerated.

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    Re: Turkey Would Oppose US Arms Transfers to Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Right after they blow up how many dozens of people they are fighting against?
    What could be wrong with that ?
    If the targets are members of Assad's army, Hezbollah, Shiite militias, etc., well, nothing. My only regret is they can only blow themselves up once.
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