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SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

Dittohead not! said:
Sweet! So, I can use someone else's pay stubs and SSN to qualify for welfare?

No wonder we're spending a trillion a year on means tested government benefits.
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Sure, why not. The downside is it won't be hard to track you down since the money is going to YOU, and so it will be quite easy to convict you of a felony. Good plan! Give it a go and see how it works out for you!!
 
Conservative said:
Just goes to show how out of touch you are with society and the world in general. Tell the people of Iraq and Afghanistan that voting isn't a privilege. What you continue to ignore is what both parties do to get people to the polls and how bad some of the cities are that use those tactics. It really is a shame that this is even an issue but politics are big business and big bucks that need better controls than what we have. A photo ID is a great first step in today's world.
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Voting is a right in the U.S.

14th Amendment "the right to vote."
15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"

You should read your Constitution every now and then! It doesn't actually end with the 2nd Amendment.
 
JasperL said:
Voting is a right in the U.S.

14th Amendment "the right to vote."
15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"

You should read your Constitution every now and then! It doesn't actually end with the 2nd Amendment.
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You should pay more attention to reality. The American people have a right and it is a privilege to live in this country therefore it is a privilege to vote. You seem to have a problem proving who you are and wouldn't have a problem with someone else voting for you.
 
JasperL said:
Never heard of this "Democrat" party....

And of course it was conservative whites in Southern states who filibustered the CRA and VRA, etc. Democrats in the rest of the country supported those bills at a higher rate then republicans. And now southern conservatives whites are nearly all republicans.
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Maybe you should open up a history book then

The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.

Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.
 
You contionue to ignore that it was the Southern Conservatives and Indiana who did this.
They are now GOPs and have made the switch since the 1920s, 1960s and now--and you know it .
Fenton said:
Maybe you should open up a history book then

The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.

Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.
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Fenton said:
Maybe you should open up a history book then

The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.

Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.
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It has always been Southern Conservatives.
Created by Radical Republicans over Reconstruction after Lincoln was murdered .
 
NIMBY said:
You contionue to ignore that it was the Southern Conservatives and Indiana who did this.
They are now GOPs and have made the switch since the 1920s, 1960s and now--and you know it .
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You must be very proud of today's Democrat Party with the 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, almost 8 million part time employees who want full time jobs, the over 7 trillion added to the debt, and of course the wonderful condition the world is in. We all know that the part of Obama and Reid have generated these results but partisan liberals like you will never hold them responsible for their own failures. How many bills has the House passed that are sitting in Harry Reid's desk?
 
Conservative said:
You must be very proud of today's Democrat Party with the 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, almost 8 million part time employees who want full time jobs, the over 7 trillion added to the debt, and of course the wonderful condition the world is in. We all know that the part of Obama and Reid have generated these results but partisan liberals like you will never hold them responsible for their own failures. How many bills has the House passed that are sitting in Harry Reid's desk?
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And none of this has anything to do with voter ID Jim Crow laws does it Conservative?

Why would you, the poster Conservative, say that I am very proud of the false-equivalency lies you have spewed forth here ?
 
Conservative said:
You should pay more attention to reality. The American people have a right and it is a privilege to live in this country therefore it is a privilege to vote. You seem to have a problem proving who you are and wouldn't have a problem with someone else voting for you.
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LMAO. Instead of admitting you clearly misstated the voting RIGHTS issue, I get a word salad. It's a right - the Constitution is very clear.

And of course I'd have a problem if someone voted 'for' me. But that just doesn't happen. They tried to find examples in Tennessee, and as I recall it was less than a dozen in more than that many elections. So not even ONE time, per election, in the entire STATE.

Furthermore, in Tennessee we've had an "ID" requirement for many years. I'm not sure when it started, but I've had to show "ID" for as long as I remember. I could show my voter registration card, a SS card, a work ID, and many more. That's not a problem. But the Photo ID rules are incredibly restrictive for no purpose anyone can identify, except for the 'feature-not-a-bug' effect of making it much harder for lots of democratic leaning voters to cast a vote.
 
Fenton said:
Maybe you should open up a history book then

The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.
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I think you're referring to the Democratic Party. There is no "democrat" party that I know of. Like there is no "Repugnican" party or Republick party or Republicorp party, etc. And it was Southern whites who were behind KKK, Jim Crow, etc.

Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.
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History is clear, and there isn't any point arguing with you. There are no remnants of the KKK in today's Democratic party. Take a look at the conventions, or party leadership, or the race of elected representatives, and tell me which party would be most comfortable for a KKK sympathizer.....

Hint, it's the party that has elected reps sending images out like this one:

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And many more that I don't feel like finding and attaching....
 
JasperL said:
I think you're referring to the Democratic Party. There is no "democrat" party that I know of. Like there is no "Repugnican" party or Republick party or Republicorp party, etc. And it was Southern whites who were behind KKK, Jim Crow, etc.
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Just a correction - at that time they were Southern Democrat whites who were behind KKK, Jim Crow, etc. You left "Democrat" fact out for some strange reason.
 
NIMBY said:
And none of this has anything to do with voter ID Jim Crow laws does it Conservative?

Why would you, the poster Conservative, say that I am very proud of the false-equivalency lies you have spewed forth here ?
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It was a Republican Support that passed the Civil rights Act with Al Gore's father's opposition and a bloc of 18 Democrat Senators. You seem to have a very selective memory
 
JasperL said:
And it was Southern whites who were behind KKK, Jim Crow, etc.
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More specifically it was Democrats, the same people who feel that Blacks are inferior today.
History is clear, and there isn't any point arguing with you. There are no remnants of the KKK in today's Democratic party.
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Not officially since Robert Byrd died, but he always had his sympathizers within the party.
 
Ockham said:
Just a correction - at that time they were Southern Democrat whites who were behind KKK, Jim Crow, etc. You left "Democrat" fact out for some strange reason.
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Sure, there were democrats then and are republicans now.

It's a stain on the democratic party of that time that they allied with the southern white racists. It's also more a stain on the South, and whites in the South.

But the POTUS at the time the CRA and VRA passed was a Democrat. More democrats than republicans voted FOR those acts. It's just that the white racist south voted almost unanimously AGAINST those acts.
 
Conservative said:
It was a Republican Support that passed the Civil rights Act with Al Gore's father's opposition and a bloc of 18 Democrat Senators. You seem to have a very selective memory
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From wikipedia: Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%
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Grant said:
More specifically it was Democrats, the same people who feel that Blacks are inferior today.
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Yeah, democrats believe blacks are inferior, which is why the democratic party nominated a black man as POTUS and elects blacks to elected office all across the country. Give me a break.

Not officially since Robert Byrd died, but he always had his sympathizers within the party.
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Why do you think blacks so overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party, that is according to you so full of racists?
 
JasperL said:
That's remarkably weak.

So if your state's legislature decides that to exercise your right to own a gun, you need to register your weapon and pay an annual $500/year fee, it's OK because any law that the legislature passes that makes exercising a right contingent on jumping through expensive hoops is OK, even if gun registration has no effect on crime, gun deaths, etc.? Costly and time consuming registration of every firearm is just an "obligation" of being a citizen, and obviously you must support such a program!

You can't believe that.
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Gun ownership is explicitly protected by the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. That same Constitution leaves elections to the states.
 
Jack Hays said:
Gun ownership is explicitly protected by the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. That same Constitution leaves elections to the states.
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States regulate firearms, but those regulations are restricted by the Constitution. Voting isn't any different. It's clear that voting is a Constitutional RIGHT protected by the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th amendments, and the Constitution gives the Feds the explicit authority to enforce those rights.

14th Amendment "the right to vote."
15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"
 
NIMBY said:
And none of this has anything to do with voter ID Jim Crow laws does it Conservative?

Why would you, the poster Conservative, say that I am very proud of the false-equivalency lies you have spewed forth here ?
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It has to do with CONTROL, one way or the other.

Slavery is little different from total Government dependence and institutionalized poverty.

Places like Cabrini Green, Robert Taylor Homes and Magnolia Place in New Orleans weren't born out of Conservative principles.
 
JasperL said:
States regulate firearms, but those regulations are restricted by the Constitution. Voting isn't any different. It's clear that voting is a Constitutional RIGHT protected by the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th amendments, and the Constitution gives the Feds the explicit authority to enforce those rights.

14th Amendment "the right to vote."
15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"
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The SC court disagrees with you.
 
JasperL said:
States regulate firearms, but those regulations are restricted by the Constitution. Voting isn't any different. It's clear that voting is a Constitutional RIGHT protected by the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th amendments, and the Constitution gives the Feds the explicit authority to enforce those rights.

14th Amendment "the right to vote."
15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"
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Agreed, but the administration of elections is left to the states. As long as state laws pass US Constitutional muster they are good to go.
 
Jack Hays said:
Agreed, but the administration of elections is left to the states. As long as state laws pass US Constitutional muster they are good to go.
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Same with gun regulations.
 
JasperL said:
Same with gun regulations.
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Yes, but the 2nd Amendment is much more prescriptively specific than are references to the right to vote. Regardless, the state ID laws that cause you such pain seem to have passed the test.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, democrats believe blacks are inferior, which is why the democratic party nominated a black man as POTUS and elects blacks to elected office all across the country. Give me a break.
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The key is winning.

Harry Reid's "encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," as he said privately. Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination". - See more at: Reid Once Called Obama Light-skinned With 'No Negro Dialect', Media Mostly Mum

Joe Biden - "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Why do you think blacks so overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party, that is according to you so full of racists?
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