Yet conservatives ignore all the Nixon dirty tricks to get these IDs in the confederate states .
Once again (this gets so old), there is not one iota of evidence that there is widespread voter fraud in the country OR in Texas.
To the contrary, you are in favor of the law because it means that it will hurt your opposition party and help your party. It is you who are the one with an ethics and morality problem, seems to me. It is wrong to pass a law that results in widespread discrimination among a minority class, esp. when it has been expressed by GOP leaders that that is the purpose of the law.
You should be ashamed of yourself for willingness to take away citizens' right to vote.
It sounds simple on the face of things, but having been poor, I know it is not a simple thing for many people to get a photo ID. The cost, for one thing, is prohibitive for some. THAT IS THE SAME THING AS CHARGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
As a moral and ethical thing, a citizen should not have to pay to vote. It's a citzenship right, even if you are dirt poor, without a dime.
You are in questionable company of years past of Jim Crow laws...the kind of people that favored those laws. That is who you are, you have now explained.
It is quite interesting how smart liberals tell us their base is yet apparently many cannot get an photo id to vote even though they need a photo ID to do almost everything else these days. If they want to vote badly enough and if they are smart enough they will get their ID.
Well, obviously roughly 400,000-600,000 REGISTERED VOTERS in Texas do NOT need a Photo ID acceptable to vote under the new rules to go about their daily lives. It's funny that this basic fact can't sink in with conservatives.
They need "ID" but as people keep saying 1,000 different ways, "ID" =/= one of the very limited forms of photo ID acceptable to Republicans in Texas to cast a vote in person at the polls.
The Democrat party was responsible for those very Jim Crow laws you Libs are apparently so fond of.
AND they filibustered the 1964 voting rights act.
Glad to hear that you support the TX law. Why did liberals take the issue to the Supreme Court?
Yes. A good trade. The state is upholding its end of the bargain. Those who do not get their ID are not upholding theirs.
What "obligations" are you talking about? Specifically?
You can pay taxes without ID, and set your trash out without ID. You don't actually need a photo ID to board a flight, and obviously most poor have never and will never fly on a plane.
You're confusing the obligations in YOUR life with the obligations for someone who lives an entirely different life.
In reality, you have to have a photo ID to live in today's world. Most states make it relatively easy to procure one, and most dont even charge for just the basic ID
I really dont know what all the fuss is about.....i kinda like knowing that the person voting is the person actually registered to vote....yes?
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. There is no reason to make 400,000 Texans spend the time and money to get an ID they do not need in their daily lives just so they can exercise their right to vote.
I won't bother going through the list, much of it provably BS and either false or can be done without one of the IDs on the list of IDs accepted for voting, but NO ONE OBJECTS TO THE BASIC FACT that some small percentage of citizens do not need the photo ID's acceptable to vote in some states to get through their daily lives. Posts like this are an attempt to dispute facts that aren't actually in dispute or contested by supporters of the photo ID voting laws.
It's bizarre that conservatives cannot accept simple facts in evidence, accepted by both proponents and opponents of photo ID voting rules, presented in court, subject to discovery and cross examination, etc. It's just weird how a movement now feels free to disregard reality when making an argument.
Those same people need a photo ID to 1) cash a check, 2) get on a plane, and 3) take out a loan. Voting is a privilege. I see no problem with photo ID's, why do you?
for all the time, energy, and money you guys are spending on fighting these laws, you could rent vans and take those few voters that you say exist to get their ID's
or is that not in the equation....if people actually have ID, does that cause you other issues?
you gotta wonder.....
1) Wrong. It's easier to cash a check with a state or federally issued photo ID with current address (SFIPIDWCA), but not necessary.
2) Wrong. Ditto, and it may come as a shock to you, but 10s of millions of Americans make it through a lifetime and never fly! Hard to believe, but true!!
3) Wrong. What kind of loan? And I'm sure it will shock you to know that the poor don't qualify for traditional loans by banks and credit unions and the like.
Voting is a privilege? Hilarious....
I am guessing you did not read the data presented to the court by the Texas Attorney General.What part of accepting facts is a problem with right wingers? It's not that I "say they exist" it's what every person who has looked at the effect of the new laws has determined, and those claims have been vetted in the courts, subject to cross examination and discovery, etc.
And of course people are trying like heck to help people get the IDs - you've moved the goal posts because you can't defend the point.
During her testimony at trial, Lydia Camarillo, Vice President of the
Southwestern Voter Education Project, testified she could only identify two voters
in the entire State of Texas who do not have state-issued photo identifications—“the
Rodriguez sisters.”27
One of the two “Rodriguez sisters,” Victoria Rodriguez, a college student from San
Antonio and the only voter (out of 13 million in Texas) that either the intervenors—or the
DOJ—could produce at trial in support of their contention that voters who lack photo
IDs will be unable to vote. During Ms. Rodriguez’ testimony, however, those claims fell
apart when she testified that she possesses a “birth certificate,” a “voter registration
card,” and a “social security card.”28 Under state regulations, only two of the three
forms of identification possessed by Ms. Rodriguez are necessary for her to obtain an
Election Identification Certificate free of charge from the DPS.
At trial, Ms. Rodriguez testified that she did not have a car and that her parents were too
busy to take her to the local DPS office so that she could obtain a free Election
Identification Certificate. Ironically, however, Ms. Rodriguez explained in detail how she
had no trouble securing transportation to the San Antonio airport, flying more than
1,500 miles to Baltimore, and catching a train to Washington DC so that she could testify
in federal court about her inability to get to the DPS office back in San Antonio. 29
What part of accepting facts is a problem with right wingers? It's not that I "say they exist" it's what every person who has looked at the effect of the new laws has determined, and those claims have been vetted in the courts, subject to cross examination and discovery, etc.
And of course people are trying like heck to help people get the IDs - you've moved the goal posts because you can't defend the point.
For number 2 and 3, you say wrong, but then give an argument of them not being able to. You do need an ID to get on a plane. The fact that some people will never get on a plane in their lifetime does not change the fact that someone needs and ID to get on a plane (with the exception of children). Also, you need an ID to get a loan or even request a loan. The fact that some people do not qualify for loans does not change the fact that you need an ID to get a loan from an institution.
We understand passengers occasionally arrive at the airport without an ID, because of losing it or inadvertently leaving it at home. If this happens to you, it does not necessarily mean you won't be allowed to fly. If you are willing to provide additional information, we have other ways to confirm your identity, like using publicly available databases, so you can reach your flight.
Voting is in fact a privilege. If you are a convicted felon, you cannot vote while you are incarcerated, on parole, or on probation. Some do not get the privilege restored even after "rehabilitation".
I am guessing you did not read the data presented to the court by the Texas Attorney General.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/newspubs/releases/2012/071312voterid_fact_sheet.pdf
1) Wrong. It's easier to cash a check with a state or federally issued photo ID with current address (SFIPIDWCA), but not necessary.
2) Wrong. Ditto, and it may come as a shock to you, but 10s of millions of Americans make it through a lifetime and never fly! Hard to believe, but true!!
3) Wrong. What kind of loan? And I'm sure it will shock you to know that the poor don't qualify for traditional loans by banks and credit unions and the like.
Voting is a privilege? Hilarious....
I am guessing you did not read the data presented to the court by the Texas Attorney General.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/newspubs/releases/2012/071312voterid_fact_sheet.pdf
Since we're talking about the urban poor, don't they get food stamps and other forms of welfare? Don't they need ID to get those things, or does the state simply hand them out to anyone who says they want them?
If it's the latter, then no wonder we spend so much on means tested government benefits, around a trillion a year isn't it?
Required or "mandatory" proofs for SNAP eligibility
Proof of the identity of the head of household.
This can include wage stubs, your state ID or driver’s license, school record, a health care card with your name on it, a birth certificate. You do not need a photo ID. And, if you don’t have any of these and are applying for expedited, DTA can confirm your identity using the SSN data base. See Question 8 (What if I am having trouble getting all the proofs, or the proofs get to DTA late?).
Only the head of household must verify identity. DTA can verify everyone else using the name, date of birth and SSN of each member. 106 C.M.R. § 361.610(G) (link is external).
How many times can this be pointed out before it sinks in with some people - "ID" =/= "State issued photo ID with current address, or veteran ID, or passport" in Texas. For example, here's information from MassLegalServices: 07. What proofs (verifications) do I need and how do I get them to DTA? | Mass Legal Services
well.....those facts dont match up with what the left is telling everyone
so they cant be true....can they?
:doh