SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

Jack Hays · Oct 19, 2014

JasperL said:
What "obligations" are you talking about? Specifically?

You can pay taxes without ID, and set your trash out without ID. You don't actually need a photo ID to board a flight, and obviously most poor have never and will never fly on a plane.

You're confusing the obligations in YOUR life with the obligations for someone who lives an entirely different life.

The obligation is to have an ID in order to vote. And I challenge your claim that you can board a flight without one. I did not say you needed an ID to pay taxes or put out your trash, but those are obligations like having an ID to vote.

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

ObamacareFail said:
What the the left is concerned about is suppression of fraudulent voting.

Since there is an infinitely small amount of fraudulent voting from the left compared to the right, this is another lie. The GOP simply cannot win fairly--neither could Nixon. Trying to maintain a majority with a minority--GOP Gerry-Mandering and voter suppression .

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Jack Hays said:
The obligation is to have an ID in order to vote. And I challenge your claim that you can board a flight without one. I did not say you needed an ID to pay taxes or put out your trash, but those are obligations like having an ID to vote.

So everyone who votes should be able to board a plane in yer world! How about having a visa also? State's wrongs on steroids caused the first civil war and right-wing books advocating for a 2nd civil war continue to lead the best-sellers. Ampped by right-wing hate radio .

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

ObamacareFail said:
I am not buying it Jasper. The fight against valid photo IDs being required to vote is a dishonest left wing ruse. Everyone who does not live the life of an isolated hermit has valid photo IDs. That included minorities and the elderly.

The key word is valid and the 50 different sets of rules to get them--all Jim Crow laws--all subject to change every two years as we've seen--and that doesn't even scratch the surface of states like Kansas contesting 20,000 registrations and Georgia losing over 40,000 .

JasperL · Oct 19, 2014

Jack Hays said:
There is no level of voter impersonation fraud that is trivial.

Really, so let's say it's 4 people per year in Texas. The small government conservatives tired of meddling bureaucrats and government regulations governing your lives are OK with making 400,000 people spend time and money to get an ID that catches FOUR people?

And if only 1% of the 400,000 without ID can't get ID in time or at all, you'll disenfranchise 4,000 eligible, registered voters to solve the problem of 4 ineligible votes. A good trade?

Jack Hays · Oct 19, 2014

NIMBY said:
So everyone who votes should be able to board a plane in yer world! How about having a visa also? State's wrongs on steroids caused the first civil war and right-wing books advocating for a 2nd civil war continue to lead the best-sellers. Ampped by right-wing hate radio .

Is there a point in there somewhere?

Jack Hays · Oct 19, 2014

JasperL said:
Really, so let's say it's 4 people per year in Texas. The small government conservatives tired of meddling bureaucrats and government regulations governing your lives are OK with making 400,000 people spend time and money to get an ID that catches FOUR people?

And if only 1% of the 400,000 without ID can't get ID in time or at all, you'll disenfranchise 4,000 eligible, registered voters to solve the problem of 4 ineligible votes. A good trade?

Yes. A good trade. The state is upholding its end of the bargain. Those who do not get their ID are not upholding theirs.

Fenton · Oct 19, 2014

Deuce said:
So you think it's impossible that the poor or elderly could possibly have any trouble with this. Ok then! :2wave:

Just like Voter ID is a " poor deterrent against voter fraud ", using the narrative of the poor and the elderly being somehow incapable of obtaining a ID is a poor argument against voter ID.

polgara · Oct 19, 2014

Yesterday was Sweetest Day? Whodathunk..... :lamo:

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Jack Hays said:
Yes. A good trade. The state is upholding its end of the bargain. Those who do not get their ID are not upholding theirs.

Why not talk about the fine print of all these different 21st century Jim Crow laws.

The ones the three Justices alito, scalia and thomas taught to the GOPs beginning in 2009
during the koch conferences they adjudicated as special guests .

JumpinJack · Oct 19, 2014

NIMBY said:
Why not talk about the fine print of all these different 21st century Jim Crow laws.

The ones the three Justices alito, scalia and thomas taught to the GOPs beginning in 2009
during the koch conferences they adjudicated as special guests .

Like what? Do tell.

Jack Hays · Oct 19, 2014

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NIMBY said:
Why not talk about the fine print of all these different 21st century Jim Crow laws.

The ones the three Justices alito, scalia and thomas taught to the GOPs beginning in 2009
during the koch conferences they adjudicated as special guests .

There is no downside to assuring votes are cast by those entitled to cast them.

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Really--it would take me the rest of the night just to go through the North Carolina law.
Give the GOPs credit for employing the #1 Nixon card--voter suppression .

JumpinJack said:
Like what? Do tell.

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Jack Hays said:
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There is no downside to assuring votes are cast by those entitled to cast them.

But there is an upside for your GOP to suppress votes isn't there?
As the immoral minority suppresses the majority with gerrymandering and suppression laws .

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

false-equivalency from you as usual--and trying to use the poor and eldeerly the way you GOPs do to boot -

Fenton said:
Just like Voter ID is a " poor deterrent against voter fraud ", using the narrative of the poor and the elderly being somehow incapable of obtaining a ID is a poor argument against voter ID.

JumpinJack · Oct 19, 2014

Conservative said:
Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election | Fox News

Again, TX gets it right. Liberals aren't going to steal an election in TX by having the dead vote

Once again (this gets so old), there is not one iota of evidence that there is widespread voter fraud in the country OR in Texas.

To the contrary, you are in favor of the law because it means that it will hurt your opposition party and help your party. It is you who are the one with an ethics and morality problem, seems to me. It is wrong to pass a law that results in widespread discrimination among a minority class, esp. when it has been expressed by GOP leaders that that is the purpose of the law.

You should be ashamed of yourself for willingness to take away citizens' right to vote.

It sounds simple on the face of things, but having been poor, I know it is not a simple thing for many people to get a photo ID. The cost, for one thing, is prohibitive for some. THAT IS THE SAME THING AS CHARGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.

As a moral and ethical thing, a citizen should not have to pay to vote. It's a citzenship right, even if you are dirt poor, without a dime.

You are in questionable company of years past of Jim Crow laws...the kind of people that favored those laws. That is who you are, you have now explained.

Jack Hays · Oct 19, 2014

NIMBY said:
But there is an upside for your GOP to suppress votes isn't there?
As the immoral minority suppresses the majority with gerrymandering and suppression laws .

Both parties have gerrymandered, and there's no downside or upside for anyone in an honest vote. There is only the right side.

Fenton · Oct 19, 2014

NIMBY said:
Why not talk about the fine print of all these different 21st century Jim Crow laws.

The ones the three Justices alito, scalia and thomas taught to the GOPs beginning in 2009
during the koch conferences they adjudicated as special guests .

The Democrat party was responsible for those very Jim Crow laws you Libs are apparently so fond of.

AND they filibustered the 1964 voting rights act.

Fenton · Oct 19, 2014

JumpinJack said:
Once again (this gets so old), there is not one iota of evidence that there is widespread voter fraud in the country OR in Texas.

To the contrary, you are in favor of the law because it means that it will hurt your opposition party and help your party. It is you who are the one with an ethics and morality problem, seems to me. It is wrong to pass a law that results in widespread discrimination among a minority class, esp. when it has been expressed by GOP leaders that that is the purpose of the law.

You should be ashamed of yourself for willingness to take away citizens' right to vote.

It sounds simple on the face of things, but having been poor, I know it is not a simple thing for many people to get a photo ID. The cost, for one thing, is prohibitive for some. THAT IS THE SAME THING AS CHARGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.

As a moral and ethical thing, a citizen should not have to pay to vote. It's a citzenship right, even if you are dirt poor, without a dime.

You are in questionable company of years past of Jim Crow laws...the kind of people that favored those laws. That is who you are, you have now explained.

I'm pretty sure Conservative is not a Democrat.

Jim Crow laws were a creation of the Democrat party.

Fenton · Oct 19, 2014

NIMBY said:
false-equivalency from you as usual--and trying to use the poor and eldeerly the way you GOPs do to boot -

Lol !!

The guy who can't help himself from dredging up institutionalized racism care of the Democrat party ( Jim Crow ) wants to lecture me on " false equivalency " ?

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

It's about the minority GOPs suppressing the majority Dems based on race, ethnicty, wealth and the belief that their votes should count more.

With a 5-4 GOP SCOTUS upholding gerrymandering and jim crow--a Senate frilibustering the last VRA which passed 97-0.

That's how far back to the 1870s we've gone in suppressing Black and poor voters.

You have put it much more eloquently however .

JumpinJack said:
Once again (this gets so old), there is not one iota of evidence that there is widespread voter fraud in the country OR in Texas.

To the contrary, you are in favor of the law because it means that it will hurt your opposition party and help your party. It is you who are the one with an ethics and morality problem, seems to me. It is wrong to pass a law that results in widespread discrimination among a minority class, esp. when it has been expressed by GOP leaders that that is the purpose of the law.

You should be ashamed of yourself for willingness to take away citizens' right to vote.

It sounds simple on the face of things, but having been poor, I know it is not a simple thing for many people to get a photo ID. The cost, for one thing, is prohibitive for some. THAT IS THE SAME THING AS CHARGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.

As a moral and ethical thing, a citizen should not have to pay to vote. It's a citzenship right, even if you are dirt poor, without a dime.

You are in questionable company of years past of Jim Crow laws...the kind of people that favored those laws. That is who you are, you have now explained.

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Jim Crow was started by Southern Conservatives--the party of today's GOP where these laws are coming from--
only today's GOP is far more advanced--
as we discuss settled history one more time -

Fenton said:
Lol !!

The guy who can't help himself from dredging up institutionalized racism care of the Democrat party ( Jim Crow ) wants to lecture me on " false equivalency " ?

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Once again, Jim Crow began in the south.
With the very same conservatives who are now in the GOP.
The current GOP southern connies making these 21st century high-tech Jim Crow laws.
Hope that helps with settled history .

Fenton said:
I'm pretty sure Conservative is not a Democrat.

Jim Crow laws were a creation of the Democrat party.

Linc · Oct 19, 2014

Fenton said:
The Democrat party was responsible for those very Jim Crow laws you Libs are apparently so fond of.

You continue to mean southern cons--with the four great spikes in the KKK--1870s, 1920s, 1960s and now--all in the south and Indiana with cons.

AND they filibustered the 1964 voting rights act.

And then became Nixon GOPs in 1968 and 1972 with Nixon's southern strategy.
Have you forgotten Thurmond and the Dixiecrats running 3rd party against Truman in 1948--doubt it ?

Conservative · Oct 19, 2014

JasperL said:
It must suck to accept reality? No, I think it makes life easier living without the cognitive dissonance of defending stuff that can't be defended without inventing straw men, inventing facts, etc.

It is quite interesting how smart liberals tell us their base is yet apparently many cannot get an photo id to vote even though they need a photo ID to do almost everything else these days. If they want to vote badly enough and if they are smart enough they will get their ID.

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