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Ok, so ID laws for guns don't help, but ID laws for fraudulent votes do?
Correct, and I've already explained why.
Ok, so ID laws for guns don't help, but ID laws for fraudulent votes do?
Ok, so ID laws for guns don't help, but ID laws for fraudulent votes do?
So you think that voter intimidation is okay?
That is not logical since casting a vote "on the street" will not count. There is no alternative to the official polling places that matter. The idea of using an official ID that contains but one name/address combination works fairly well for FFL purchases as well as for polling places for the same reason. My point, that you seem determined to avoid, is that if requiring an official ID is deemed to be a "discriminatory burden" for one right then it should be deemed to be so for all rights.
The vast majority of voter fraud occurs via absentee ballots. Not "on the street," but certainly not at the official polling place and none of these will be caught by voter ID laws.
I suppose that means that apart from ID cards being issued there should be more checks made on absentee ballots in order to ensure as honest an election as possible. Everyone should have cconfidence in the process, and the 'nothing to see here' folks really aren't winning the debate.The vast majority of voter fraud occurs via absentee ballots. Not "on the street," but certainly not at the official polling place and none of these will be caught by voter ID laws.
What I don't get is, with Obamacare and centralized medical records, proper ID will be critical to insure a patient is being treated properly. Why are liberal/progressives ignoring that fact when claiming getting an ID for voting is impossible?
I suppose that means that apart from ID cards being issued there should be more checks made on absentee ballots in order to ensure as honest an election as possible. Everyone should have cconfidence in the process, and the 'nothing to see here' folks really aren't winning the debate.
Yes, because the dead voting in Texas is a huge problem, all 4 of them in 2012.
Greg Abbott says state proved in court that more than 200 dead people voted in the latest Texas elections | PolitiFact Texas
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?The purpose is to drive down the voting by democratic leaning demographics. We're all adults, we can recognize the obvious.
OK - then come up with a fix for that problem as well. The use of mail-in ballots is very much on the rise - probably because it is easier to cheat and vote multiple times that way.
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
You already know the answer Grant.How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"?
The Dems are dead and buried moronic nonsense from the bottom of Nixon's deck of cards.Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or
And then you finish by calling Democrats stupid--B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
You could be the Democratic poster boy for this anti ID campaign. Any living person who doesn't know how to get an id can have it explained. If that doesn't do the trick then perhaps it's just as well they stayed home in order that the best available people be elected, rather than relying on party loyalty.Why do you think difficulty in getting an id requires a person to be stupid?
You feel a little uncomfortable in answering the question? Why not give it a go anyway.You already know the answer Grant. That's why yer in denial.
Nixon? Why not get back on the topic?The Dems are dead and buried moronic nonsense from the bottom of Nixon's deck of cards.
You've just proven my point for me.And then you finish by calling Democrats stupid--none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
You could be the Democratic poster boy for this anti ID campaign. Any living person who doesn't know how to get an id can have it explained. If that doesn't do the trick then perhaps it's just as well they stayed home in order that the best available people be elected, rather than relying on party loyalty.
What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?Why do you think it's about "not knowing how" to get an ID? Why the assumption of ignorance? Why not assume difficulty or lack of opportunity?
By the way, it's interesting you invoke Jim Crow laws in this debate. Are you saying that the Black vote Democrats have come to rely on in recent years would be in jeopardy should ID Laws be required? That would certainly appear to be the case.none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.Elderly poor have difficulty traveling. ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor. The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote. Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
If you do not have any of the following acceptable forms of ID, beginning June 26, 2013, you may apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) at no charge.
What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.
The working poor must have an ID to be working, so you can take them off the list.
On election day, there seems to be an unlimited supply of buses to take the elderly to the polls.
You mean they are shut in the house all the time? No opportunity to go to Church or town? If so it really doesn't matter as they won't be able to show up voting day anyway.Elderly poor have difficulty traveling.
In fact several states are offering them for free. Perhaps friends or family may also help.ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor.
Then perhaps another way can be looked at. Why give up so quickly when everyone knows an honest voting system is essential to any well run democracy?The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote.
I'd certainly like to give that impression but, sadly, it's not true.Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
You failed to notice that was phrased in the form of a question.A) Dead people voting democratic.... :lamo :2rofll: Seriously, you right wingers need to find different material. This one lost it's appeal for the non-crazy share of the population about the same time these new-fangled things called "computers" were invented and went into widespread use to track voter registrations, voting rolls, etc. B) And where did anyone but a right winger claim that poor people are too "stupid" to get an ID. Sheesh. Ocean makes up the straw man about it being "impossible" for people to get ID, then you follow up with this one.
Rules are BURDENSOME, are they? The American people were once made of sterner stuff. As far as 'costly' did they mention what the cost would be?Read the district court's opinion. It goes through painful detail about why the rules will prove BURDENSOME, and costly, especially for the poor. If you disagree with any non-made up point, then we can discuss!