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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    First of all I realize that this thread is about the TX voter ID law and I keep getting off track by others wanting to debate taxes and the benefits/costs to the economy/govt. Would be happy to participate in another thread on this issue, just let me know where and when. Please however post the data that supports a contention that tax cuts cost the treasury revenue and where that data came from. Thanks in advance.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    Spoken like a true big govt. liberal. Do you have any idea what the four components of GDP are. Tell me how taxes aren't important considering those components and how they contribute to GDP?
    Yes, there are 3 ways to calculate GDP. I assume you are referring to the expenditure approach - C + I + G + (Ex - Im). If you cut taxes, it's a shift from G to C, and vice versa. The argument is shifting spending from G to taxpayers creates enough additional growth that tax cuts self finance, but you can't find an economist anywhere who will go on record saying that unless he's paid to say it (i.e. is a hack). Not one economist who served in any administration ever, Reagan, Bush, and Bush II included, claims the Bush tax cuts paid for themselves. Everyone that I've seen is on record saying the notion is absurd, and those men SUPPORTED THE TAX CUTS and want smaller government.

    QE has led to the lowest interest rates in history during the Obama term and yet economic growth is basically stagnant. People are hording money, businesses are buying back stock, 20 million Americans are unemployed/under employed/discouraged. You don't seem to understand how our economy works and you continue to ignore that liberals project that economic growth will remain the same even without the tax cuts but you cannot explain what you do when you have more money in your paycheck which is what happened during the Reagan and Bush term
    We're in the aftermath of the biggest debt bubble since the Great Depression. I'm not sure what your point is besides that.

    Why would you want to send more money to the Govt. if it won't cut spending? The two are not the same, let people keep more of what they earn and they need less of that so called Govt. help. We currently have a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. Take SS and Medicare OFF BUDGET NOW and then fund about a 1.5 trillion dollar govt. and watch the economic growth. You seem to want to fund the govt. based upon what they spend not what they should spend. I prefer people keeping more of their own money and starving the govt.
    All I can say is if conservatives want to eliminate SS and Medicare, do it, and then we'll talk about tax cuts. It's easy to SAY you want to cut spending, but somehow, GOPers get their tax cuts and the spending cuts don't happen... That's the entire point. If the GOP takes the Senate this year, and the WH in 2016, and proceeds to cut the government in half, good for them - now tax cuts make sense. Just don't ask me to believe in a free lunch, or magic self financing tax cuts. That's not a position of serious people.

    Yes, Bush increased spending but never had a trillion dollar deficit and never had Debt exceeding 100% of GDP. Medicare Part D ended up costing half of what the Democrats wanted. We can argue whether or not it was successful but the reality is it did reduces Medicare expenses. Defense is the responsibility of the Federal govt. and Obama increased defense spending. Supplementals are part of the yearly deficits. Obama inherited a 10.6 trillion dollar debt, the war in Iraq was winding down, and yet has added over 7 trillion to the debt If you truly care about the debt then you should focus on what Obama has done, and not what Bush did because Bush added 4.9 trillion in 8 years, Obama over 7 trillion in 6. Doesn't appear you have a problem with that 7 trillion dollars
    Sure, I have a problem and the deficit is coming down and we'll need higher taxes eventually for all kinds of reasons - entitlements, and more. That's especially true if we continue our role as world police man and continue our indefinite interference in the ME and elsewhere.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Gerrmandering has been going on for decades, were you this upset when it worked to the Democrat advantage?? Gerrymandering is just another way of saying that people are robots and vote for the party vs the individual. Some may do but IMO most do not. You definitely have a left wing bias and the question is why? Name for me any liberal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem, and went away? Just one!!
    No, there are as many right wing robots who would vote for their party if Beelzebub were running as there are left wingers who would vote for their party if Mephistopheles were running. That's why gerrymandering works.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, there are as many right wing robots who would vote for their party if Beelzebub were running as there are left wingers who would vote for their party if Mephistopheles were running. That's why gerrymandering works.
    One of the problems is the number of dead left wing voters who could have an influence on the election. Any election is difficult to call given the voter fraud going on in the country. Truth Serum: Is there voter fraud in America? | On Air Videos | Fox News

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yes, there are 3 ways to calculate GDP. I assume you are referring to the expenditure approach - C + I + G + (Ex - Im). If you cut taxes, it's a shift from G to C, and vice versa. The argument is shifting spending from G to taxpayers creates enough additional growth that tax cuts self finance, but you can't find an economist anywhere who will go on record saying that unless he's paid to say it (i.e. is a hack). Not one economist who served in any administration ever, Reagan, Bush, and Bush II included, claims the Bush tax cuts paid for themselves. Everyone that I've seen is on record saying the notion is absurd, and those men SUPPORTED THE TAX CUTS and want smaller government.



    We're in the aftermath of the biggest debt bubble since the Great Depression. I'm not sure what your point is besides that.



    All I can say is if conservatives want to eliminate SS and Medicare, do it, and then we'll talk about tax cuts. It's easy to SAY you want to cut spending, but somehow, GOPers get their tax cuts and the spending cuts don't happen... That's the entire point. If the GOP takes the Senate this year, and the WH in 2016, and proceeds to cut the government in half, good for them - now tax cuts make sense. Just don't ask me to believe in a free lunch, or magic self financing tax cuts. That's not a position of serious people.



    Sure, I have a problem and the deficit is coming down and we'll need higher taxes eventually for all kinds of reasons - entitlements, and more. That's especially true if we continue our role as world police man and continue our indefinite interference in the ME and elsewhere.
    Didn't think you had a clue and this post shows it. Consumer spending is the largest component of GDP by far consisting of over 60% of GDP which is why consumers having more money in their pockets drives economic activity, creates demand, and it is demand that leads to employment. 17 million jobs were created by the Reagan economy. Can you prove that those jobs would have been created with the three years of tax cuts, by the way you never did acknowledge that Reagan cut taxes three years in a row and those tax cuts were for ALL income earners.

    My point has always been is that liberalism believes govt is the answer and that philosophy led to the election of the most incompetent person ever to hold the office and that has led to the worst recovery in history of this country. Apparently he understands our economy just about as well as you

    I love how liberals like you tout a declining deficit yet the deficit is still setting records. When you run trillion dollar deficits four years in a row don't you think that deficits should be coming down? What exactly did Obama do to lower the deficits? Did he cut spending? Did he put more people to work? Did he implement a pro growth economic policy? Or did the sequester bring down the deficit?

    AS for higher taxes why don' you and the rest of the big govt. liberals pony up more of your own money sending in a bigger contribution that required to fund that govt. you want? Myself I prefer to keep more of what I earn and not send it to the Govt. to waste on social programs you and others seem to want.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    One of the problems is the number of dead left wing voters who could have an influence on the election. Any election is difficult to call given the voter fraud going on in the country. Truth Serum: Is there voter fraud in America? | On Air Videos | Fox News
    I seriously doubt that is true, but, by all means, let's institute voter ID for eligible voters and put this one to bed for good.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I seriously doubt that is true, but, by all means, let's institute voter ID for eligible voters and put this one to bed for good.
    Seriously doubt that what is true? There were a lot of charges laid in that video.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Seriously doubt that what is true? There were a lot of charges laid in that video.
    Seriously doubt that there is enough voter fraud to make a difference, as there is little evidence to support the idea that there is. What was in the video was a litany of examples and generalizations made from those examples.

    Nevertheless, even if there is just a perception of voter fraud, then by all means let's initiate voter ID. The few who don't have ID and who vote would benefit, and the perception would at least be more difficult to promote.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Seriously doubt that what is true? There were a lot of charges laid in that video.
    Sure, there is "voter fraud" but what some of have been saying is the 'solutions' to 'voter fraud' (mainly photo ID) wouldn't address even one of those charges. They were isolated incidents of corrupt people, entirely as far as I can tell initiated by elected or appointed officials, doing corrupt things. That will never go away. What the right wing does is conflate them all together into one big basket of "voter fraud" then propose a solution that at best attacks the tiniest sliver of cases, but justified by any kind of election irregularity or crime. That segment was a perfect example of that.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Seriously doubt that there is enough voter fraud to make a difference, as there is little evidence to support the idea that there is. What was in the video was a litany of examples and generalizations made from those examples.

    Nevertheless, even if there is just a perception of voter fraud, then by all means let's initiate voter ID. The few who don't have ID and who vote would benefit, and the perception would at least be more difficult to promote.
    It seems that voter ID would be just a start, but a good start.

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