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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You could be the Democratic poster boy for this anti ID campaign. Any living person who doesn't know how to get an id can have it explained. If that doesn't do the trick then perhaps it's just as well they stayed home in order that the best available people be elected, rather than relying on party loyalty.
    Why do you think it's about "not knowing how" to get an ID? Why the assumption of ignorance? Why not assume difficulty or lack of opportunity?
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why do you think it's about "not knowing how" to get an ID? Why the assumption of ignorance? Why not assume difficulty or lack of opportunity?
    What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
    By the way, it's interesting you invoke Jim Crow laws in this debate. Are you saying that the Black vote Democrats have come to rely on in recent years would be in jeopardy should ID Laws be required? That would certainly appear to be the case.

    ID for Hispanics would also present a similar problem.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
    Elderly poor have difficulty traveling. ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor. The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote. Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
    A) Dead people voting democratic.... Seriously, you right wingers need to find different material. This one lost it's appeal for the non-crazy share of the population about the same time these new-fangled things called "computers" were invented and went into widespread use to track voter registrations, voting rolls, etc.

    B) And where did anyone but a right winger claim that poor people are too "stupid" to get an ID. Sheesh. Ocean makes up the straw man about it being "impossible" for people to get ID, then you follow up with this one.

    Read the district court's opinion. It goes through painful detail about why the rules will prove BURDENSOME, and costly, especially for the poor. If you disagree with any non-made up point, then we can discuss!

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Elderly poor have difficulty traveling. ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor. The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote. Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
    The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.
    The working poor must have an ID to be working, so you can take them off the list.
    On election day, there seems to be an unlimited supply of buses to take the elderly to the polls.

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/driverl...electionid.htm
    If you do not have any of the following acceptable forms of ID, beginning June 26, 2013, you may apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) at no charge.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
    Sure, if you have no car and no driver's license, how difficult can it be to get to an ID office 75 miles away. Great point Grant. We can tell you've given it a lot of thought.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.
    Right, because if you have to travel to get to the DPS office two counties away, that's free, and so are the underlying documents, taking time off work as an hourly worker costs nothing, etc.

    The working poor must have an ID to be working, so you can take them off the list.
    False and can be debunked with five seconds of effort, which is more than apparently you've devoted to this issue. The funny thing is a picture Id from work doesn't qualify for voting, and neither do many of the forms of ID an employer might require, such as a SS card.

    On election day, there seems to be an unlimited supply of buses to take the elderly to the polls.
    If true, and it would depend on the area - some might have many, most areas will have ZERO buses - what does this have to do with anything?
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Elderly poor have difficulty traveling.
    You mean they are shut in the house all the time? No opportunity to go to Church or town? If so it really doesn't matter as they won't be able to show up voting day anyway.
    ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor.
    In fact several states are offering them for free. Perhaps friends or family may also help.
    The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote.
    Then perhaps another way can be looked at. Why give up so quickly when everyone knows an honest voting system is essential to any well run democracy?
    Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
    I'd certainly like to give that impression but, sadly, it's not true.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    A) Dead people voting democratic.... Seriously, you right wingers need to find different material. This one lost it's appeal for the non-crazy share of the population about the same time these new-fangled things called "computers" were invented and went into widespread use to track voter registrations, voting rolls, etc. B) And where did anyone but a right winger claim that poor people are too "stupid" to get an ID. Sheesh. Ocean makes up the straw man about it being "impossible" for people to get ID, then you follow up with this one.
    You failed to notice that was phrased in the form of a question.
    Read the district court's opinion. It goes through painful detail about why the rules will prove BURDENSOME, and costly, especially for the poor. If you disagree with any non-made up point, then we can discuss!
    Rules are BURDENSOME, are they? The American people were once made of sterner stuff. As far as 'costly' did they mention what the cost would be?

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