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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Thanks for the link, but I'm not going to do your work for you. What numbers do you want to highlight? Put them here as I did.

    And I'm glad you want to ignore inflation, so 3% growth is just as good when inflation is running 100% as when inflation is 1%. As I said, no one will take you seriously.



    You're comparing receipts in 1989 to receipts in 1982. It matters what inflation was between those two dates. I'd go into it but if you can't accept that, there is no point in trying.



    You're right, you don't have to make any hard choices after a tax cut, you can gutlessly do nothing and watch deficits explode, as you can see here (Reagan and Bush eras)

    1981 -78,968 (Last Carter budget)
    1982 -127,977
    1983 -207,802
    1984 -185,367
    1985 -212,308
    1986 -221,227
    1987 -149,730
    1988 -155,178

    2001 128,236 (Last Clinton Budget)
    2002 -157,758
    2003 -377,585
    2004 -412,727
    2005 -318,346
    2006 -248,181
    2007 -160,701 (Top of the biggest debt bubble in 80 years, and largest housing bubble in U.S. history - still didn't have a balanced budget)
    2008 -458,553 (This is a reflection of the Great Recession)

    Notice something? After the Reagan tax cuts, deficits were never less than TWICE the highest deficits of the Carter era. Cut taxes and don't reduce spending, that's what happens.... Bush came in and did two major tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. Deficits increased by over $500 billion. Math says so. Behavior doesn't change enough to affect basic math.
    You put in the years you want and compare personal tax revenue the first year vs the last year and then calculate the percentage. I am not doing any work for you either, the percentage is over 60%

    Reagan's deficits led to 17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP. How does that compare to Carter?

    Math has nothing to do with it, you cut taxes and you create more economic activity. Congress spends the money, not the President

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You put in the years you want and compare personal tax revenue the first year vs the last year and then calculate the percentage. I am not doing any work for you either, the percentage is over 60%

    Reagan's deficits led to 17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP. How does that compare to Carter?

    Math has nothing to do with it, you cut taxes and you create more economic activity. Congress spends the money, not the President
    You do realize that Reagan myths float around by the hundreds.

    The reality is that the toe bone is connected to the foot bone, the foot bone is connected to the leg bone...on and on and on and on. What does this mean? Can you not grasp that every president after Washington has in some way inherited some element of all of their predecessors screw ups as well as achievements? It's impossible not to.

    Now you frequently use Reagan as your poster boy president who did miracles. I voted for Reagan twice. I really did. If I had it to do over, I'd rather cut off my left testicle. Some people talk about Reagan like he was Jesus. That's just not reality.

    For every godly act that you claim Reagan did...I can find some source that will refute it.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You put in the years you want and compare personal tax revenue the first year vs the last year and then calculate the percentage. I am not doing any work for you either, the percentage is over 60%

    Reagan's deficits led to 17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP. How does that compare to Carter?

    Math has nothing to do with it, you cut taxes and you create more economic activity. Congress spends the money, not the President
    I think I'll quit this conversation. Obviously you don't want to see the point, because it would require you to change your worldview and recognize there is no tax free lunch, and believing in a tax free lunch is necessary to not laugh out loud at GOPer leaders who tell you there is a free lunch. I understand - took me years to admit as well.

    Bottom line is tax cuts by GOPers increased the deficit, as math says they will. Tax increases by Clinton reduced deficits, as math says they will. Behavior affects those results, but very little in the big picture.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You do realize that Reagan myths float around by the hundreds.

    The reality is that the toe bone is connected to the foot bone, the foot bone is connected to the leg bone...on and on and on and on. What does this mean? Can you not grasp that every president after Washington has in some way inherited some element of all of their predecessors screw ups as well as achievements? It's impossible not to.

    Now you frequently use Reagan as your poster boy president who did miracles. I voted for Reagan twice. I really did. If I had it to do over, I'd rather cut off my left testicle. Some people talk about Reagan like he was Jesus. That's just not reality.

    For every godly act that you claim Reagan did...I can find some source that will refute it.

    Spinning is a great game for people in politics are somebody trying to sell somebody something. BUYER BEWARE!
    In the real world, not the liberal world, results matter as does leadership, apparently you know neither

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I think I'll quit this conversation. Obviously you don't want to see the point, because it would require you to change your worldview and recognize there is no tax free lunch, and believing in a tax free lunch is necessary to not laugh out loud at GOPer leaders who tell you there is a free lunch. I understand - took me years to admit as well.

    Bottom line is tax cuts by GOPers increased the deficit, as math says they will. Tax increases by Clinton reduced deficits, as math says they will. Behavior affects those results, but very little in the big picture.
    That is a lie, tax cuts that actually cut revenue would have increased the deficit but not with a 60% increase in that revenue. Clinton raised taxes and gave us a GOP Congress that cut taxes, thanks Bill

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a lie, tax cuts that actually cut revenue would have increased the deficit but not with a 60% increase in that revenue. Clinton raised taxes and gave us a GOP Congress that cut taxes, thanks Bill
    Oh brother. More Kool-Aid, sir?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a lie, tax cuts that actually cut revenue would have increased the deficit but not with a 60% increase in that revenue. Clinton raised taxes and gave us a GOP Congress that cut taxes, thanks Bill
    First of all, it's a beautiful thing to see the GOP mind at work. Reagan tax cuts (passed by democratic House). Clinton tax increases. But it's the GOP tax cuts in 1997, with Clinton as POTUS. Can't see a better example of "GOP gets credit for all that's good, democrats blamed for all that's bad."

    Second - review the data. By 1997 when cap gains were cut, Clinton had already reduced deficits by $200 billion. In a similar time period, after two big tax cuts, Bush had increased deficits by over $500 billion. That's a $700 billion difference in fiscal results, and it's the difference between tax increases and tax cuts. One predictably reduced deficits, two big ones under Bush predictably exploded them.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...what is truly amazing is the fact that Cons can't seem to get their heads around the basics of finance.... cutting revenues has the same bottom line effect as increasing expenses, unless you believe voodoo.
    Or perhaps the government could cut their expenses accordingly? Others have to do it. When is the last time the White House actually had a budget and was passed into law?

    Remember this guy and the low infos who voted for him? Obama Promised to Cut Deficit In Half By 2012! - YouTube
    Another cut from El Stupido. Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic. - YouTube

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Or perhaps the government could cut their expenses accordingly? Others have to do it. When is the last time the White House actually had a budget and was passed into law?
    Sure, I agree. High deficits require painful choices to solve - spending cuts OR tax increases OR both.

    What we're debating is whether to cut the deficit whether Obama should have just passed more tax CUTS, since tax cuts allegedly, per GOPers, pay for themselves.... Or not. Those of us in the reality based world choose the option that does NOT rely on magic, revenue increasing tax cuts, as a foundation of fiscal policy.

    FWIW, the deficit was reduced by half by 2013, not 2012.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Oh brother. More Kool-Aid, sir?
    No, more facts, sir

    https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cf...isuri=1&903=86

    1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989
    Current receipts 533 620.4 618 644.2 710.7 775.3 817.3 899 961.4 1040.8
    Current tax receipts 355.5 407.7 386.3 393.2 425.2 460.2 479.2 543.6 566.2 621.2
    Personal current taxes 1 250 290.6 295 286.2 301.4 336 350 392.5 402.8 451.5
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