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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Believing that tax cuts pay for themselves is sort of a self proving demonstration of that.
    Still waiting for you to prove why you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to anyone since the JFK, Reagan, and Bush tax cuts increased FEDERAL INCOME TAX REVENUE which is what all three cut.

    My, my has liberalism been successful making good people believe that the govt. allowing you to keep more of what you earn is an expense. Didn't basic accounting tell you that you only pay for expenses?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    LOL. Perfect example of Non sequitur!!
    But... must.... bash..... Democrats... Must Bash..OK, here's a way, a non sequiter.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    Still waiting for you to prove why you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to anyone since the JFK, Reagan, and Bush tax cuts increased FEDERAL INCOME TAX REVENUE which is what all three cut.

    My, my has liberalism been successful making good people believe that the govt. allowing you to keep more of what you earn is an expense. Didn't basic accounting tell you that you only pay for expenses?
    You do remember, don't you, that the Reagan tax cuts came with elimination of a lot of tax deductions as well?

    Perhaps that might, just might be a part of the reason government revenues increased?
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    Alot of those years of growth after the Carter disaster was in that RWR gave us a reason to believe in ourselves again.

    Unlike today where you get from libs, we are no better than anyone else, and how we are the problem in the world....

    What is it about this counyry liberals don't like? Is it guilt?
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You do remember, don't you, that the Reagan tax cuts came with elimination of a lot of tax deductions as well?

    Perhaps that might, just might be a part of the reason government revenues increased?
    17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP added how much revenue to FIT??

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    17 million jobs created, doubling of GDP added how much revenue to FIT??
    I've responded to that several times now. You said I need to look at the data, and then I'd understand, so I did and quoted some data. If you'd care to address that point, we can continue this discussion.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063914647

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for you to prove why you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to anyone since the JFK, Reagan, and Bush tax cuts increased FEDERAL INCOME TAX REVENUE which is what all three cut.

    My, my has liberalism been successful making good people believe that the govt. allowing you to keep more of what you earn is an expense. Didn't basic accounting tell you that you only pay for expenses?
    You keep repeating the same point over and over. I respond, you ignore it, repeat same point. Rinse and repeat. I think I'll stop the cycle here, except to note that

    1) I responded to that exact point in the post above, and
    2) accounting and math says tax cuts reduce tax revenue, and so, if you cut taxes (which I'm all for) you have to cut spending, or increase deficits. What serious people do not do is pretend that you can cut taxes and increase spending because tax cuts raise revenue. Only lemmings believe in magic tax cuts that pay for themselves. There is no free lunch. The GOP believes there is a free lunch when it comes to taxes. They should be embarrassed to peddle that nonsense.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, if tax cuts boost revenue, then tax increases must cause a drop in revenue. Based on your objective analysis, why did tax revenues increase two and a half times faster under Clinton, after tax rate increases, than under Reagan?

    More jobs were created in the Clinton era than the Reagan era.
    GDP grew about 33% in both 8 year periods.
    Under Reagan, real tax revenues increased by 20%, or less than GDP growth.
    Under Clinton, real tax revenues increased by 47%, or well in excess of GDP growth.
    Based on that, it would surprise no one that Reagan cut tax rates, and Clinton raised rates.

    And to pay for the ACA, should Congress have just passed another couple rounds of TAX CUTS?

    Finally, the idea that tax cuts pay for themselves is rejected by conservative economists - men who worked for Reagan, W. and others, who want lower taxes and smaller government. You should let them know about the evidence they are missing.
    Again, the Treasury date disagrees with you but then again you don't want to use actual dollars only inflation adjusted dollars and that isn't how our country operates. Rather sad that you don't seem to understand exactly what happened during the Reagan term or even the Clinton term. 1994 was a rejection of Clinton economic policies and the tax cut act of 1997 refutes your claims of tax hikes

    Look, if you want to send more money into the govt. just do it and stop complaining about others wanting to keep more of their or the benefits generated by that revenue

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You do remember, don't you, that the Reagan tax cuts came with elimination of a lot of tax deductions as well?

    Perhaps that might, just might be a part of the reason government revenues increased?
    That, and inflation, and population growth, and normal economic growth. Inflation is the big one that's ignored. Second is the assumption that all economic growth is as a result of tax cuts, so if the economy grew by 3%, even though it's grown by 2-3% for decades, and grew by those rates when tax rates topped out at 92%, the "conservative" analysis assumes it's all a result of the tax cuts. It's the kind of economic analysis that wouldn't get a passing grade in Econ 201. I'm sure I'm telling you nothing you don't know, but just wanted to get it on the record.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You keep repeating the same point over and over. I respond, you ignore it, repeat same point. Rinse and repeat. I think I'll stop the cycle here, except to note that

    1) I responded to that exact point in the post above, and
    2) accounting and math says tax cuts reduce tax revenue, and so, if you cut taxes (which I'm all for) you have to cut spending, or increase deficits. What serious people do not do is pretend that you can cut taxes and increase spending because tax cuts raise revenue. Only lemmings believe in magic tax cuts that pay for themselves. There is no free lunch. The GOP believes there is a free lunch when it comes to taxes. They should be embarrassed to peddle that nonsense.
    Accounting and math ignore human behavior which is what liberals like you always do. You want more money to go to the govt. then send it in. Put your money where your mouth is.

    What serious people understand is that just because you cut taxes there is nothing that says you have to increase spending. Politicians do it to get votes and keep their jobs. The two aren't synonymous

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