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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    Who allocates money in our Government ?
    I believe it's the same entity that is currently allocating some 600B or so more than they're taking in in revenues.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I believe it's the same entity that is currently allocating some 600B or so more than they're taking in in revenues.
    So now no celebrating Obama's deficit reduction initiatives ?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    So now no celebrating Obama's deficit reduction initiatives ?
    No.

    Celebrating a 600B deficit?

    again, no.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just as there's always a good excuse for Dems to argue for retreat and defeat. See? Two can play that game. The spending bills in question enjoyed broad Dem support.
    If I made a claim that democrats were fiscally conservative and tried like heck to cut spending and were foiled by the dastardly republicans, then me and those apologizing for GOP fiscal results by shifting blame to democrats would be making equivalent arguments.

    Bottom line is I just get tired of the same old stuff. REAGAN cut taxes, but it was passed with a majority democrat House. But the same DEMOCRATS who get no credit for the "Reagan" tax cuts are the sole reason for big spending. Same story different verse for every era. For some reason, republicans just aren't to blame for anything bad (e.g. spending), but get credit for everything good (e.g. tax cuts). Clinton balanced the budget - REPUBLICAN HOUSE!!! Etc.

    Frankly over the last 34 years, it seems to me the democrats have a more fiscally responsible approach, which is why to the extent I identify with a party, it's with the Democratic party. But obviously both parties like to spend and are hesitant to tax, but only one has pledged to their maker and Grover Norquist to NEVER raise taxes, even after they increase spending.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If I made a claim that democrats were fiscally conservative and tried like heck to cut spending and were foiled by the dastardly republicans, then me and those apologizing for GOP fiscal results by shifting blame to democrats would be making equivalent arguments.

    Bottom line is I just get tired of the same old stuff. REAGAN cut taxes, but it was passed with a majority democrat House. But the same DEMOCRATS who get no credit for the "Reagan" tax cuts are the sole reason for big spending. Same story different verse for every era. For some reason, republicans just aren't to blame for anything bad (e.g. spending), but get credit for everything good (e.g. tax cuts). Clinton balanced the budget - REPUBLICAN HOUSE!!! Etc.

    Frankly over the last 34 years, it seems to me the democrats have a more fiscally responsible approach, which is why to the extent I identify with a party, it's with the Democratic party. But obviously both parties like to spend and are hesitant to tax, but only one has pledged to their maker and Grover Norquist to NEVER raise taxes, even after they increase spending.
    RWR's relationship with Congress was complex and I don't feel like unwrapping that this evening. I'll just say that RWR's stature does not depend on tax cuts, but on the combination of Cold War victory and the foundation for a generation of prosperity.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    RWR's relationship with Congress was complex and I don't feel like unwrapping that this evening. I'll just say that RWR's stature does not depend on tax cuts, but on the combination of Cold War victory and the foundation for a generation of prosperity.
    I get that, there is little simple about politics and the interactions between Presidents and Congresses. "Control" of the House or Senate also doesn't necessarily imply that party could pass legislation that didn't meet some demands of the other side - especially back then the parties were less ideologically divided, e.g. many Southern democrats were conservatives, and many northern republicans more liberal. Now a POTUS needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass a renaming of a Post office, but even in 2010 the GOP ran on protecting Medicare from democrats wanting to take benefits from grandma. Bottom line is very few if any of the stereotypes are all that useful, which is pretty much all I was pushing back on.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I get that, there is little simple about politics and the interactions between Presidents and Congresses. "Control" of the House or Senate also doesn't necessarily imply that party could pass legislation that didn't meet some demands of the other side - especially back then the parties were less ideologically divided, e.g. many Southern democrats were conservatives, and many northern republicans more liberal. Now a POTUS needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass a renaming of a Post office, but even in 2010 the GOP ran on protecting Medicare from democrats wanting to take benefits from grandma. Bottom line is very few if any of the stereotypes are all that useful, which is pretty much all I was pushing back on.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's not random.

    Clinton " balanced the budget " with a Republican House.

    Who allocates money in our Government ?

    And Bush was handed a Democrats House in 2006.
    And a Democrat Senate, both houses were controlled by the Democrats from January 2007 to January 2011

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    And a Democrat Senate, both houses were controlled by the Democrats from January 2007 to January 2011
    And........? The financial system collapsed in 2008 and the Great Recession started in December 2007. It's not like that's a good time for budget austerity that we didn't see from the GOP in the bubble years.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If I made a claim that democrats were fiscally conservative and tried like heck to cut spending and were foiled by the dastardly republicans, then me and those apologizing for GOP fiscal results by shifting blame to democrats would be making equivalent arguments.

    Bottom line is I just get tired of the same old stuff. REAGAN cut taxes, but it was passed with a majority democrat House. But the same DEMOCRATS who get no credit for the "Reagan" tax cuts are the sole reason for big spending. Same story different verse for every era. For some reason, republicans just aren't to blame for anything bad (e.g. spending), but get credit for everything good (e.g. tax cuts). Clinton balanced the budget - REPUBLICAN HOUSE!!! Etc.

    Frankly over the last 34 years, it seems to me the democrats have a more fiscally responsible approach, which is why to the extent I identify with a party, it's with the Democratic party. But obviously both parties like to spend and are hesitant to tax, but only one has pledged to their maker and Grover Norquist to NEVER raise taxes, even after they increase spending.
    Here is the film:

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