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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Didn't side step it at all. You seem to have a problem in that you buy what the left tells you. You do not have to pay for tax cuts since all tax cuts led to stimulated activity and more tax revenue PLUS tax cuts allow people to keep more of what you earn. The U.S. Treasury Website is your friend, use it. TAX CUTS DO NOT HAVE TO BE PAID FOR AS THEY ARE NOT AN EXPENSE TO THE GOVT.
    I've used it, cited all kinds of data, to support my basic embrace of math and evidence, which tells us tax cuts don't pay for themselves.

    And Cheney agreed with you about tax cuts not needing to be paid for. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter. We won the midterms, this [more tax cuts] is our due."

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've used it, cited all kinds of data, to support my basic embrace of math and evidence, which tells us tax cuts don't pay for themselves.

    And Cheney agreed with you about tax cuts not needing to be paid for. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter. We won the midterms, this [more tax cuts] is our due."
    Tax cuts often bring in MORE revenue to the coffers due to people just ponying up rather than hiding their money.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tax cuts often bring in MORE revenue to the coffers due to people just ponying up rather than hiding their money.
    Not nearly as much more than a straight forward and simplified tax code that lacks "loopholes" (deductions, credits and exclusions) would to make the taxation of income from all sources a basic, much harder to avoid, reality. The reason that our current, massively complex, tax code has these "loopholes" is to allow our congress critters to trade them for campaign cash. We have an entire industry built around playing the "loophole" game to help (mostly rich?) folks hide their income.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It costs government more, and I see you've trying hard to avoid the point.
    Not necessarily.
    Our government spends 9% of the gdp on Medicare, Medicaid, and VA. France spends 7% to cover everyone. UHC is far cheaper than our system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not necessarily.
    Our government spends 9% of the gdp on Medicare, Medicaid, and VA. France spends 7% to cover everyone. UHC is far cheaper than our system.
    I understand and agree with your point. Governments at all levels in the U.S. spend more than TOTAL spending (public and private) in most countries. But the ACA Federal subsidies cost a lot of additional taxpayer dollars, and we raised taxes to pay for that additional Federal spending. We didn't 'pay' for the ACA with a couple more rounds of tax cuts, believing that tax cuts are magic and raise revenue, despite math.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tax cuts often bring in MORE revenue to the coffers due to people just ponying up rather than hiding their money.
    You'll have to define 'often' and provide a few examples, with the evidence to back them up.

    The evidence is mixed, but suggests that the LBJ tax cuts might have paid for themselves (those rate cuts were paired with increases in the base - closing loopholes - so it's difficult to prove definitively), but we came off 92% rates with those changes. The peak of the Laffer Curve is estimated to be around 70%. Any examples of tax cuts starting from below 70% that paid for themselves?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I understand and agree with your point. Governments at all levels in the U.S. spend more than TOTAL spending (public and private) in most countries. But the ACA Federal subsidies cost a lot of additional taxpayer dollars, and we raised taxes to pay for that additional Federal spending. We didn't 'pay' for the ACA with a couple more rounds of tax cuts, believing that tax cuts are magic and raise revenue, despite math.
    Oh.

    Good point. Of course, we can't pay for increased spending by cutting taxes.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not nearly as much more than a straight forward and simplified tax code that lacks "loopholes" (deductions, credits and exclusions) would to make the taxation of income from all sources a basic, much harder to avoid, reality. The reason that our current, massively complex, tax code has these "loopholes" is to allow our congress critters to trade them for campaign cash. We have an entire industry built around playing the "loophole" game to help (mostly rich?) folks hide their income.
    Agreed, I am all for a simplified flat tax.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You'll have to define 'often' and provide a few examples, with the evidence to back them up.
    No, I don't have the time this morning to re hash, and re post ALL of the evidence of this that has been discussed on this forum since the day I joined and before...I am sure they are all in the archives, go look them up, that is if you are truly interested in objective analysis...I don't that that is the case, but if you are then you will use the search function on this forum to educate yourself before further partisan talking point blather.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Agreed, I am all for a simplified flat tax.
    Yep - and that simplified tax code would have lower marginal rates in order to generate the same amount of revenue.
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