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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It should be valid and up to date ID...such as a drivers license or state ID card. I would also accept military ID.
    Not sure why I make points when you ignore them. There is no evidence having a long list of acceptable ID increases voter fraud. Narrow lists just make it harder to vote for those (mostly) who don't drive.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Sorry, Jasper. I just cannot take your figures seriously when you post a margin of error of plus or minus 200K.
    Right, you are worried about my margin of error based in multiple estimates presented in courts, subject to discovery, cross examination, etc., and so you adopt an estimate based on nothing. Explain that logic for me.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Tax cuts certainly do pay for themselves. You really should stop thinking in terms of a zero sum game economy. Which part of lower taxes and more disposable income creates more investment and purchases in the private sector do you not understand? And you can stop trying to connect the deficit to it. Tax revenue and deficit spending are two different subjects.
    Well, heck, I guess to solve our current deficit, we just need to keep cutting tax rates till we close the shortfall.

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    BTW, the deficit equation couldn't be simpler: Deficit (D) = Spending (G) - tax revenue (T). D increases with increases in G or decreases in T. Math.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If you have really done taxes for a living since 1988, you should have a much better understanding of the tax system then you are showing on this forum.
    Well, I have, and what I believe about the tax system is based on the evidence. I presented some of it above. What part did I get wrong?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, I have, and what I believe about the tax system is based on the evidence. I presented some of it above. What part did I get wrong?
    G does not necessarily decrease with T

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    G does not necessarily decrease with T
    Right, G and T are independent variables. D is the dependent variable, which is affected by BOTH G AND T.

    Point in English is deficits are, according to math, affected by spending levels and tax revenues.

    And I was responding to this false, but commonly accepted right wing talking point: "And you can stop trying to connect the deficit to [tax cuts]." GOPers cut taxes, revenues drop, they are too chicken s**t to cut spending, run up deficits, then tell their followers that the deficits had NOTHING to do with the tax cuts, deficits are caused by too much spending....

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election | Fox News

    Again, TX gets it right. Liberals aren't going to steal an election in TX by having the dead vote
    I'm sorry, and no disrespect intended. But Texas has, by a substantial margins, voted for Republicans in major elections since 1976. That said, the article you posted doesn't state the types of evidence uncovered, which establishes that substantial voter's fraud exist in such a way that it enables manipulation of election outcomes. Nor does the article state any specific methods used to engage in a voter's fraud schemes to alter election outcome.

    Here's my position. If there is significant evidence, then I want those who are "behind the fraud schemes" to suffer severe penalties. Now, I would equate "severe punishment" to drug dealers taking the hit way more than the users, if you get my meaning. I want to see trials highly publicized of those who create and implement voter fraud schemes. And not to get draconian about it, but I'm talking about lock'em and throw away the key kind of punishment. That would hopefully send a message to other who feel compelled to manipulate the voting system.

    I read an article the other day (dated 10-23-14), which stated at Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for state of Texas said that there's been 30 cases of fraud in Texas uncovered between 2004 and 2010, arrests made, 23 convictions out of the 30 have been made.

    According to officials with the Texas Attorney General’s Office, there were 30 instances in which individuals were charged with illegal voting as either an ineligible voter or a voter impersonating someone else while casting a vote from 2004 to 2010. Of those 30, 23 were found to be guilty.

    The combined voter turnout for gubernatorial, presidential and constitutional elections in Texas from 2004 to 2010 came out to approximately 29.3 million voters, according to the Texas Secretary of State website.

    The resulting percentage of voter fraud in that time period comes out to roughly .00008 percent, which is actually inflated. The percentage would be lower if voter turnout from primary, municipal and school district elections were included.

    The new photo ID requirements didn’t seem to have to an negative impact on voter turnout, officials have said.

    The 2013 election in Texas was an off-year, constitutional amendment election, which typically draws far less voters than presidential or gubernatorial elections. Voter turnout in 2013, the first election the photo ID requirement was in effect, increased by about 63 percent over turnout in 2011 in comparable elections, according to raw numbers.


    Supreme Court upholds voter identification laws | www.statesman.com
    Is the above report by the Texas State Attorney General the alarming evidence that is so profound that it leads us to believe there is a mass conspiracy to control election outcomes in Texas?

    Mind sharing what evidence you've come across (and sources, of course)?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    After all this back and forth you still don't understand that the concern is for eligible voters exercising their right to vote. Why does this need constant repeating?
    Most people realize that we're talking about eligible/legal voters, but for the true believers I even threw in "Americans" to keep most from veering down the conspiracy path. But unfortunately, it looks as though some need special coddling.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    I was standing in line listening to the low information voters behind me talking about how excited they were about Wendy Davis.

    I realized how important my vote was.

    Its wipes out at least one of their misinformed decisions completely.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Can't tell if that's deliberate or not. Yes, almost everyone has AN ID, but roughly 600,000 in Texas don't have an ID that will allow them TO VOTE. Key difference.
    Again...you are attempting to push that based on your previously quoted margin of error of plus or minus 200K. Do you really think anyone is going to take you seriously? Those few who do not have the right IDs can easily get them.

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