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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And the fact is (almost) no illegal is stupid enough to show up at the polls, impersonate another voter, risk a felony and guaranteed deportation, to cast ONE vote.
    Oh Really? Want'a bet?


    DMV search of records turns up ineligible N.C. voters

    Tuesday, October 21, 2014 / 8:25 pm
    Bertrand M. Gutierrez/Winston-Salem Journal

    The voter rolls kept by the State Board of Elections contain 145 names that belong to a certain category of ineligible voter – immigrants in the U.S. under a federal program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, according to elections officials.

    Earlier this month, State Board of Elections officials sampled about 1,600 of the 10,000 names, Lawson said. They cross-checked the names against a U.S. Department of Homeland Security database, known as SAVE, and found that 94 percent of those 1,600 are in fact U.S. citizens, Lawson said. Still, if 94 percent are U.S. citizens, then 6 percent are ineligible. If that percentage holds against the whole list of nearly 10,000 names, then about 600 people on the voter rolls would be ineligible to vote.

    Full article... DMV search of records turns up ineligible N.C. voters - Winston-Salem Journal: State
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    Your credibility is damaged even more than your false narrative.

    [INDENT]850 voters in NYC are officially 164 years old
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    So a computer glitch is fraud now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    Once again, liberal talking points fail to pass the smell test.

    [INDENT]Cook County ballot box tries to cast GOP votes for Democrats
    These issues show up every election. I cast votes on a touch screen and I always get the feeling I'm casting a pretend vote. I think we should collect them all, crush them, then burn them, and go back to paper. If you want to steal an election, that's how it's done - just control the counting, which multiple people have shown online is simple with electronic machines.

    The problem here, if there was an intentional effort to manipulate the computer for benefit of democrats, is incompetence by the hacker, whose inserted code didn't just change the internal record of the vote and made the mistake of showing the manipulation on the touch screen. He'll be fired by the operatives and hired by a more competent hacker next time. I've seen hackers do this the right way online many times.

    But the obvious point is photo ID doesn't affect this at all.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    You're correct... You sure do know your voter fraud.


    [INDENT]OCTOBER 22, 2014 10:26 AM
    James O’Keefe Strikes Again
    The guerilla filmmaker has exposed how voter fraud is both easy and condoned in Colorado.
    When he raised the issue of filling out some of the unused ballots that are mailed to every household in the state this month
    Of course, absentee ballots is where partisans try to steal elections, so Texas puts in a photo ID requirement at the polls that pushes the elderly and disabled exempted out of the requirements in some cases from in person voting to absentee ballots, which is more susceptible to fraud....

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    Two points.

    1) we have no idea if any of them voted.
    2) They ALL had photo ID, by definition according to the article. Which is something that's pointed out all the time - legal, non-citizen residents legally get drivers licenses.

    So photo ID does nothing to prevent those non-citizens from voting.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Two points.

    1) we have no idea if any of them voted.
    2) They ALL had photo ID, by definition according to the article. Which is something that's pointed out all the time - legal, non-citizen residents legally get drivers licenses.

    So photo ID does nothing to prevent those non-citizens from voting.
    To deny that there is voter fraud is to be very naive. The objection to photo ID's is nothing more than an attempt to divert from that reality. To believe that dead people don't vote is also naive and an attempt to divert from reality.

    Does a photo ID prevent that from happening, maybe and probably but regardless elections are big business today and anything that puts more credibility into the system benefits the entire process. You seem to have a problem understanding that. You obviously have never been to a big city like Chicago where even the non breathing public votes. A photo ID compared to the registration roles will help in cleaning up the process. If you have a problem with Photo ID's why don't you have a problem with registration to vote?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, the argument was the emotional one that liberals were using, that people couldn't get down to the DMV to get an ID, and I just provided that if they are disabled then they get an exemption
    You can continue to be dishonest and call it emotional, but being disabled was just one reason given and if they're disabled they still have to have certain paperwork that they not have, find and get to a DMV office. I don't think the DMV makes house calls.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    ...If they are not disabled, then they have NO excuse.
    No excuses, just facts that have been pointed out repeatedly, but facts that the true believers continue to ignore.


    Why are conservatives so afraid of Americans exercising their right to vote. And don't come up with that BS about identifying themselves. There has been ID requirements to vote for a very long time. Probably the most recent was the HAVA act of 2002, signed into law by George W. Bush.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    To deny that there is voter fraud is to be very naive. The objection to photo ID's is nothing more than an attempt to divert from that reality. To believe that dead people don't vote is also naive and an attempt to divert from reality.
    I've never denied that there is lots of "voter fraud" which is the conservative catch-all term for any election integrity issue. Absentee ballots are where almost all of it occurs. And if someone wants to steal an election, it's done by people wearing nice suits making $500 or $1,000 an hour.

    We've been through it all before, but part of the problem, and what makes having honest conversations about 'voter fraud' so difficult is what you did there. There have been dozens of examples where republicans claim, e.g. "HUNDREDS OF DEAD PEOPLE VOTED!!!" and it gets headlines, and then a year later it turns out that the only "dead" people who voted were a handful who died between casting a vote by mail and election day, and less than a handful of survivors who cast a vote for grandma after she died. So the first thing we have to do is debunk the myths/lies, and then we can discuss actual problems and potential solutions.

    Does a photo ID prevent that from happening, maybe and probably but regardless elections are big business today and anything that puts more credibility into the system benefits the entire process. You seem to have a problem understanding that. You obviously have never been to a big city like Chicago where even the non breathing public votes. A photo ID compared to the registration roles will help in cleaning up the process. If you have a problem with Photo ID's why don't you have a problem with registration to vote?
    What's the question about voter registration? I absolutely support efforts to clean up voter registration. I've said on other threads that Canada gets it right in a lot of ways by having a national registration process, where one entity verifies citizenship, updates registration as people move from place to place, makes registration easy and automatic for most voters, etc. The way we handle the process is just terrible, inefficient, difficult, etc. But going to a Canada system would be a RATIONAL approach to solve a real problem.

    But Photo ID rules are a blunt instrument to "solve" the smallest issue in elections, which is impersonation at the polls. List 100 threats to a 'valid' election and impersonation fraud at the polls will be in the high 90s, perhaps 100. And the 'solution' creates additional and significant problems of making it incredibly difficult for some voters to cast a ballot. At a minimum, any rational look at the issue would do some sort of comparison - fraud prevented versus eligible voters turned away, but Jack and I presume others say if that ratio of fraud/citizens unable to vote is 1/1,000, no problem. That's not a rational approach, unless it's a feature, not a bug, that there will be 1,000 fewer eligible voters for every case of fraud prevented, which is obviously the case.

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    What a shame for the acolytes of the Liar-in-Chief.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've never denied that there is lots of "voter fraud" which is the conservative catch-all term for any election integrity issue. Absentee ballots are where almost all of it occurs. And if someone wants to steal an election, it's done by people wearing nice suits making $500 or $1,000 an hour.

    We've been through it all before, but part of the problem, and what makes having honest conversations about 'voter fraud' so difficult is what you did there. There have been dozens of examples where republicans claim, e.g. "HUNDREDS OF DEAD PEOPLE VOTED!!!" and it gets headlines, and then a year later it turns out that the only "dead" people who voted were a handful who died between casting a vote by mail and election day, and less than a handful of survivors who cast a vote for grandma after she died. So the first thing we have to do is debunk the myths/lies, and then we can discuss actual problems and potential solutions.



    What's the question about voter registration? I absolutely support efforts to clean up voter registration. I've said on other threads that Canada gets it right in a lot of ways by having a national registration process, where one entity verifies citizenship, updates registration as people move from place to place, makes registration easy and automatic for most voters, etc. The way we handle the process is just terrible, inefficient, difficult, etc. But going to a Canada system would be a RATIONAL approach to solve a real problem.

    But Photo ID rules are a blunt instrument to "solve" the smallest issue in elections, which is impersonation at the polls. List 100 threats to a 'valid' election and impersonation fraud at the polls will be in the high 90s, perhaps 100. And the 'solution' creates additional and significant problems of making it incredibly difficult for some voters to cast a ballot. At a minimum, any rational look at the issue would do some sort of comparison - fraud prevented versus eligible voters turned away, but Jack and I presume others say if that ratio of fraud/citizens unable to vote is 1/1,000, no problem. That's not a rational approach, unless it's a feature, not a bug, that there will be 1,000 fewer eligible voters for every case of fraud prevented, which is obviously the case.

    Paul Weyrich: "So many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome: good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
    Do we want everyone to vote?
    People who don't know what the role of government is, what Congress and the POTUS is supposed to do, who don't know what's in the Constitution, who don't understand the issues or know where the candidates stand on them, do we want them to vote? People who watch the political ads slack jawed and uncritically, then vote accordingly, is it any benefit that they vote?

    Personally, I'd just as soon they stay home on election day.
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