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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, yeah, that's pretty much the key for any party, any politician. What's the point?



    I'm missing the point. The racist party votes for policies that help blacks? That makes a lot of sense......

    How does policies that lead to Inner cities ghettos, generational dependence, crime and poverty help ANYONE ??

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What I see are Democrats, something you want to ignore, now they are Southern and Northern Democrats as if Southern and Northern mean a thing. What is it about party loyalty that creates people like you? Looks to me like it as the Republicans that got the Civil Rights Bill passed and it looks like to me you are out of touch with reality.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

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    What I see are Democrats, something you want to ignore, now they are Southern and Northern Democrats as if Southern and Northern mean a thing. What is it about party loyalty that creates people like you? Looks to me like it as the Republicans that got the Civil Rights Bill passed and it looks like to me you are out of touch with reality.
    Not all Democrats are the same.

    Southern Democrats:

    As the politics of the land continued to evolve in the middle to late 1800s, some Southern Democrats became more liberal and embraced more middle-of-the-road political views. A significant number of other Southern Democrats, however, were bound together more closely by opposition to the Civil Rights Movement. These people formed ultra-conservative factions such as the Dixiecrats and right-wing vigilante groups such as the White League and the Ku Klux Klan.
    Not the same as today's Democrats.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not all Democrats are the same.Southern Democrats:Not the same as today's Democrats.
    I wouldn't trust too much in anything "the wise geek" has to say. They may try to change the name from Democrat to "right wing" or "ultra conservative", but Democrats they were and their racist history, which continues today, tells it all.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not actually an estimate of the number of Texas registered voters without a Photo ID, and apparently refers to a different trial. It's a cherry picked bunch of out of context quotes and testimony.

    In the district court, recently decided, the state didn't even pretend to do an estimate of the number. Several experts did, however, and the best the state could do was lob weak objections to some small parts of the very large and comprehensive efforts. Bottom line is several people went through thorough efforts to determine the number, and the result was somewhere around 600k without ID, and about 500k that didn't qualify for a disability exception. Some of them were elderly and could vote by absentee, which is more likely to generate fraudulent votes than voting in person.

    But NO ONE testified in court, or presented any estimate in court, that there aren't hundreds of thousands of Texans, registered to vote, who will need to get new IDs. Partisan hacks can make any claim they want when it's not under oath and falsehoods and misleading half truths can't be challenged and have consequences. Get back to me with court testimony in any state backs up the view that few don't have the required ID. I won't be holding my breath, you can't produce such testimony.
    People can make any claim they want, but not in court, if they do that it is perjury.
    When the people who have been making these claims in public were sworn in, their story changed.
    Now that there is a place to get a free voter ID in every county, I wonder how many will actually be requested.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I wouldn't trust too much in anything "the wise geek" has to say. They may try to change the name from Democrat to "right wing" or "ultra conservative", but Democrats they were and their racist history, which continues today, tells it all.
    Exactly, just like changing liberal to progressive because liberal had a bad connotation. I grew up a JFK Democrat but this kind of Democrat doesn't exist any more.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I wouldn't trust too much in anything "the wise geek" has to say. They may try to change the name from Democrat to "right wing" or "ultra conservative", but Democrats they were and their racist history, which continues today, tells it all.
    If you remember political history, you don't have to look up the term "southern democrat" to understand that the term has a very different meaning from simply "Democrat."
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    There is nothing difficult about providing valid photo ID to vote. The intellectual dishonesty by the left on the subject of Voter ID laws is repugnant.
    Well, you've made it clear that you have no interest in actually investigating that claim or any others about the difficulty and/or expense of getting IDs, particularly in Texas where 1/3 of counties have no office that issues the "free" IDs.

    According to a Gallup poll in 2011, 47% of all US households own a gun. Are you going to suggest that they are all rednecks? The 2nd amendment stuff is about protecting a right guatanteed to Americans in the US Constitution. Get over it.
    I was being sarcastic. I own 7 guns and have nothing at all against gun owners, rednecks or not. And yes, the 2nd protects the Constitutional RIGHT to own a gun and the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th protect the constitutional RIGHT to vote. If you want to claim that voting rules changes have nothing to do with rights, then don't be surprised when you get called on it.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If they are eligible voters it's unlikely that they do not have valid photo ID. No legal voter is disenfranchised by Voter ID laws.
    It depends on how you define the term 'unlikely.' About 600,000 or so (+ or - 200k) registered voters in Texas do not - across the country in states that passed the new restrictive photo ID rules, the totals are in millions. That's a small percentage of all registered voters.

    What's odd is you dismiss these millions, then place great importance and weight on the literally less than a handful of cases of documented voter impersonation fraud in Texas over the past DECADE. 10s of millions of votes, TWO cases of impersonation fraud. Similar rates of "voter" fraud at the polls in other states - literally no where is there evidence of a widespread problem that rises above trivial, 10 or less over years, millions of votes kind of trivial. So it's tough to identify the logic of your approach.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What I see are Democrats, something you want to ignore, now they are Southern and Northern Democrats as if Southern and Northern mean a thing. What is it about party loyalty that creates people like you? Looks to me like it as the Republicans that got the Civil Rights Bill passed and it looks like to me you are out of touch with reality.
    LOL. Yes, southern and northern "mean a thing" as you can see in the vote splits. Those in the former CSA voted nearly unanimously against CRA and VRA, and had fun for the 100 years post Civil War oppressing blacks in dozens of different ways. These were real policies in those southern states. In the north, they didn't have those policies and northern democrats voted nearly unanimously FOR the CRA, VRA. So you have to be willingly blind to miss the split in regions.

    And it's hilarious how republicans work. They take credit for all the good, then blame all the bad on democrats. On another thread, right wingers were blaming democrats for the spending of the Reagan era, but of course giving the majority democrats in Congress zero credit for the tax cuts.... Now, a bill proposed by Kennedy, passed under LBJ, and supported by more democrats than republicans is a "republican" bill. It obviously needed GOP support and I'm glad they provided it. But essentially the country, both sides of the aisle, supported it except for white racists, or political cowards who pandered to racist dirtbags, in the South, my part of the world.

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