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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Linkless as usual--yet those Dems are now GOPs in the House.
    Good thing TR got rid of the gerrymandered Senate with the 17th amendment.

    wrong again--it started after the 1990 midterms--are you forgetting the embarrassment of Texas arresting their Dem politicians?

    Then you agree it's okay today--along with voter suppression to keep the minority in power.
    Very little Present Moment Awareness here .
    Hmmm. TR's POTUS term ended in 1909, and the 17th Amendment:

    . . . . was passed by the Congress and, on May 13, 1912, was submitted to the states for ratification. By April 8, 1913, three-fourths of the states had ratified the proposed amendment, making it the Seventeenth Amendment. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

    Someone hasn't been studying his history.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There is a parade of conservatives that do care about gun rights and support the new voting rules, so I'm talking to them, too.

    And you're intentionally missing the point. Do you normally accept government regulations without regard to the downside of them? Not unless you're stupid, and I don't believe you are. So why would you accept any policy from government that had a 1/1,000 ratio of benefit/harm ratio, that cost citizens and government millions of dollars, millions of hours in time?

    If I said some EPA rule MIGHT save 4 lives, do you think ANY measure to save those lives is worth the cost? $100 million in direct costs, plus the regulatory burden? $1 billion? $10 Billion? Etc. Of course not, and you know it.
    Because I think the integrity of the vote is worth that sacrifice.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because I think the integrity of the vote is worth that sacrifice.
    And you increase the "integrity of the vote" by disenfranchising 4,000 eligible citizens to prevent 4 cases of "voter fraud?"

    I think the integrity of the vote is also important, and therefore oppose rules changes that have no discernible effect on nearly non-existent 'voter fraud' at the polls, but do make properly registered citizens jump through pointless and costly hoops to exercise their RIGHT to vote.

    "I don't want anyone to die of preventable air pollution, so I support EPA regs that cost business $billions, millions of hours in time, to MAYBE prevent 4 deaths!" Yeah, makes no sense....
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And you increase the "integrity of the vote" by disenfranchising 4,000 eligible citizens to prevent 4 cases of "voter fraud?"

    I think the integrity of the vote is also important, and therefore oppose rules changes that have no discernible effect on nearly non-existent 'voter fraud' at the polls, but do make properly registered citizens jump through pointless and costly hoops to exercise their RIGHT to vote.
    Then we disagree. I see no harm and much good from verifying voter identity and I don't believe the burden is unreasonable.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And you increase the "integrity of the vote" by disenfranchising 4,000 eligible citizens to prevent 4 cases of "voter fraud?"

    I think the integrity of the vote is also important, and therefore oppose rules changes that have no discernible effect on nearly non-existent 'voter fraud' at the polls, but do make properly registered citizens jump through pointless and costly hoops to exercise their RIGHT to vote.
    I think there should be a campaign where voters are videotaped jumping through an actual hoop upon obtaining the necessary documents.

    The whole thing is asinine when it is clear in many cases that somebody simply looked at voting behaviors of the opposition and devised laws to hamper them.

    Too many dems voting early? Eliminate or curtail early voting.

    Dems in church groups voting too much on Sunday? Eliminate Sunday voting.

    Of course my all time favorite, have the same initials as a felon. No vote for you. (They actually did something like this in Florida. They set a target number of felons to scrub from the roles. When they couldn't find enough they expanded the criteria to same first and last name. Then same last name and first initial when that didn't work.

    Iirc there were something like 17,000 eligible voters scrubbed from the roles in Florida prior to that bush/gore election. Who only found out when they showed up to vote.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And when right wingers talk about 'voter fraud' they're talking about those dependent on government handouts and do not want them to vote, and so have implemented rules to make it more difficult for them TO vote, to drive down their voting population. We all know this is true, so why deny it?
    There is nothing difficult about providing valid photo ID to vote. The intellectual dishonesty by the left on the subject of Voter ID laws is repugnant.


    I can just as easily claim that gun "rights" have nothing to do with the NRA, etc. The 2A stuff is all about getting the votes of a bunch of redneck gun owners. Pick any issue and the same claims can be made - abortion, religion, contraception, etc.
    According to a Gallup poll in 2011, 47% of all US households own a gun. Are you going to suggest that they are all rednecks? The 2nd amendment stuff is about protecting a right guatanteed to Americans in the US Constitution. Get over it.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And you increase the "integrity of the vote" by disenfranchising 4,000 eligible citizens to prevent 4 cases of "voter fraud?"
    If they are eligible voters it's unlikely that they do not have valid photo ID. No legal voter is disenfranchised by Voter ID laws.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And you increase the "integrity of the vote" by disenfranchising 4,000 eligible citizens to prevent 4 cases of "voter fraud?"

    I think the integrity of the vote is also important, and therefore oppose rules changes that have no discernible effect on nearly non-existent 'voter fraud' at the polls, but do make properly registered citizens jump through pointless and costly hoops to exercise their RIGHT to vote.
    OK lets simply allow presenting those voter registration cards to FFL dealers and save millions by doing away with NICS checks and CCW permits. Why mess around with costly hoops for the RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure, why not. The downside is it won't be hard to track you down since the money is going to YOU, and so it will be quite easy to convict you of a felony. Good plan! Give it a go and see how it works out for you!!
    I'd be willing to bet the risk will be small.

    But, I'm not going to actually try it and find out for sure.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure, there were democrats then and are republicans now.
    If you say so. I just noticed you didn't put in the obvious so ...
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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