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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Since we're talking about the urban poor, don't they get food stamps and other forms of welfare? Don't they need ID to get those things, or does the state simply hand them out to anyone who says they want them?

    If it's the latter, then no wonder we spend so much on means tested government benefits, around a trillion a year isn't it?
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am guessing you did not read the data presented to the court by the Texas Attorney General.
    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...fact_sheet.pdf
    That's not actually an estimate of the number of Texas registered voters without a Photo ID, and apparently refers to a different trial. It's a cherry picked bunch of out of context quotes and testimony.

    In the district court, recently decided, the state didn't even pretend to do an estimate of the number. Several experts did, however, and the best the state could do was lob weak objections to some small parts of the very large and comprehensive efforts. Bottom line is several people went through thorough efforts to determine the number, and the result was somewhere around 600k without ID, and about 500k that didn't qualify for a disability exception. Some of them were elderly and could vote by absentee, which is more likely to generate fraudulent votes than voting in person.

    But NO ONE testified in court, or presented any estimate in court, that there aren't hundreds of thousands of Texans, registered to vote, who will need to get new IDs. Partisan hacks can make any claim they want when it's not under oath and falsehoods and misleading half truths can't be challenged and have consequences. Get back to me with court testimony in any state backs up the view that few don't have the required ID. I won't be holding my breath, you can't produce such testimony.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since we're talking about the urban poor, don't they get food stamps and other forms of welfare? Don't they need ID to get those things, or does the state simply hand them out to anyone who says they want them?

    If it's the latter, then no wonder we spend so much on means tested government benefits, around a trillion a year isn't it?
    How many times can this be pointed out before it sinks in with some people - "ID" =/= "State issued photo ID with current address, or veteran ID, or passport" in Texas. For example, here's information from MassLegalServices: http://www.masslegalservices.org/node/30291

    Required or "mandatory" proofs for SNAP eligibility

    Proof of the identity of the head of household.

    This can include wage stubs, your state ID or driver’s license, school record, a health care card with your name on it, a birth certificate. You do not need a photo ID. And, if you don’t have any of these and are applying for expedited, DTA can confirm your identity using the SSN data base. See Question 8 (What if I am having trouble getting all the proofs, or the proofs get to DTA late?).

    Only the head of household must verify identity. DTA can verify everyone else using the name, date of birth and SSN of each member. 106 C.M.R. 361.610(G) (link is external).

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    How many times can this be pointed out before it sinks in with some people - "ID" =/= "State issued photo ID with current address, or veteran ID, or passport" in Texas. For example, here's information from MassLegalServices: 07. What proofs (verifications) do I need and how do I get them to DTA? | Mass Legal Services
    Sweet! So, I can use someone else's pay stubs and SSN to qualify for welfare?

    No wonder we're spending a trillion a year on means tested government benefits.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    well.....those facts dont match up with what the left is telling everyone

    so they cant be true....can they?

    Testimony in court, subject to discovery and cross examination, is held to a higher standard than propaganda. And the propaganda didn't even bother to estimate the number.

    Gosh, I wonder why the state of Texas, instead of lobbing bricks at figures others came up with, didn't do their own estimate? Maybe because they realize there is no gain in 1) doing a crap job that will be shredded in court, or 2) doing a legitimate effort that largely confirms the claims of the plaintiffs suing to overturn the Photo ID rules? That's my guess, what's yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sweet! So, I can use someone else's pay stubs and SSN to qualify for welfare?

    No wonder we're spending a trillion a year on means tested government benefits.
    Sure, why not. The downside is it won't be hard to track you down since the money is going to YOU, and so it will be quite easy to convict you of a felony. Good plan! Give it a go and see how it works out for you!!

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show how out of touch you are with society and the world in general. Tell the people of Iraq and Afghanistan that voting isn't a privilege. What you continue to ignore is what both parties do to get people to the polls and how bad some of the cities are that use those tactics. It really is a shame that this is even an issue but politics are big business and big bucks that need better controls than what we have. A photo ID is a great first step in today's world.
    Voting is a right in the U.S.

    14th Amendment "the right to vote."
    15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"

    You should read your Constitution every now and then! It doesn't actually end with the 2nd Amendment.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Voting is a right in the U.S.

    14th Amendment "the right to vote."
    15th Amendment "[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    19th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    24th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States to vote"
    26th Amendment "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote"

    You should read your Constitution every now and then! It doesn't actually end with the 2nd Amendment.
    You should pay more attention to reality. The American people have a right and it is a privilege to live in this country therefore it is a privilege to vote. You seem to have a problem proving who you are and wouldn't have a problem with someone else voting for you.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Never heard of this "Democrat" party....

    And of course it was conservative whites in Southern states who filibustered the CRA and VRA, etc. Democrats in the rest of the country supported those bills at a higher rate then republicans. And now southern conservatives whites are nearly all republicans.

    Maybe you should open up a history book then

    The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.

    Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

    You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    You contionue to ignore that it was the Southern Conservatives and Indiana who did this.
    They are now GOPs and have made the switch since the 1920s, 1960s and now--and you know it .
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Maybe you should open up a history book then

    The Democrat party was the party behind the creation of the KKK, Jim Crow and segregation.

    Al Gore's Father was a huge racist

    You left wingers are trying to rewrite History by calling Democrats Conservatives, but the truth is the Democrat party has always been about controlling minorities one way or the other.
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