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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The lists of those with photo IDs is being compared to a list of REGISTERED VOTERS. So you can safely assume 400,000 or so in Texas vote at least occasionally and don't have the ID required by the new rules.

    And it's true that the vast majority of people, including the urban poor, do have the required ID. But in a state like Texas with 26 million people, about 8 million voted in the 2012 election, probably 12-15 million registered, it's not hard to get to 3 or 4% without the required ID.
    Then that 3 or 4% are not meeting their obligations as citizens.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Enough that it would be prohibitively expensive to supply them with a picture ID.

    If there really are so many voters who live from day to day paying cash for everything, depending on public transportation, depending on low wage jobs or public welfare (don't they need ID for that?) then it seems to me we would do them a huge favor to provide them with picture ID. Maybe they could open bank accounts and not depend on the usurer who cashes checks. Perhaps, when they get run over on the street, the health care providers would actually know who they were. Missing people would be easier to find.

    If there really are 600,000 eligible voters in Texas who don't have ID, and if 10% of them vote (which is a big if), then that's 60,000 IDs that would be needed at say, $5 each for a total of $300,000. Surely, a wealthy state like Texas could afford that.
    Not eligible, registered, so you'd need 600,000 IDs. And the "ID" isn't the problem - all states provide them free to the poor, or for a nominal cost. If you need a birth certificate, that's cheap if you were born in state - a few dollars. But if not, it might be 20-100 or more. If you weren't born in a hospital (and many older, poor Americans were not) then you have to get a BC substitute, which is difficult and expensive. If you need a marriage license because you're a woman and you've changed your name, add on a cost for that. If there are any errors on anything, add more money to fix that. In Texas, and live in one of the 1/3 of counties without an office that issues IDs, find a ride for the 50-250 mile round trip, take a half day off from your hourly job because the places are only open 9-5 at best most places, no weekends, no late evenings during the week. And if you need documents, maybe a half day in each office to get those documents.

    It's all doable, but the problem the courts have is there is no demonstrated advantage to getting the Photo IDs over the IDs accepted in states with more lenient rules, and there is simply no doubt who these rules affect and it's poor people, mostly minorities, mostly urban. We all know these people lean democratic. And we're all adults and know that GOP officials in red states know without any doubt this helps GOP candidates, which is why they're being pushed so hard despite NO, ZERO, NADA, NONE evidence that impersonation fraud at the polls rises above trivial.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Then that 3 or 4% are not meeting their obligations as citizens.
    They were before the GOP decided that being a citizen required one of just a few forms of Photo ID. I doubt if you go out and get ID because it's fun or you'd just like to have another form of ID. Why would a poor person spend time and money for an ID he or she doesn't need in their daily life?

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    It is my understanding, that facilities have been put in place to issues voter ID, in every county in Texas.
    It will be interesting to see how many id's are actually issued.
    The truth is every legally registered voter already has valid ID. The alternative is that they don't cash checks or pay with checks, and they do not drive. They just stay at home and live like hermits.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    NO, ZERO, NADA, NONE evidence that impersonation fraud at the polls rises above trivial.
    There is no level of voter impersonation fraud that is trivial.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I guess you just aren't willing to ensure secure elections while also ensuring people aren't disenfranchised.
    Let's be honest. The whole disenfranchisement thing is a often repeated bald faced lie by the left. It does not compute.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They were before the GOP decided that being a citizen required one of just a few forms of Photo ID. I doubt if you go out and get ID because it's fun or you'd just like to have another form of ID. Why would a poor person spend time and money for an ID he or she doesn't need in their daily life?
    In order to meet his/her obligations as a citizen. It's like paying your taxes or setting out your trash. I need an ID to board a flight; voting is more important than that.
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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They were before the GOP decided that being a citizen required one of just a few forms of Photo ID. I doubt if you go out and get ID because it's fun or you'd just like to have another form of ID. Why would a poor person spend time and money for an ID he or she doesn't need in their daily life?
    Probably because they have to have it to drive, apply for government benefits, open a bank account, cash checks, etc.

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How many of those urban poor riding around in busses, living hand to mouth, and paying cash for everything actually vote?
    Greetings, Dittohead not!

    IMO, this would have resonated more if they had saved this effort for the 2016 presidential election, since an awful lot of people don't bother to vote in the midterms. Maybe this time will be different, since you practically have your choice of things to be angry about - immigration; ACA; hostilities all over the planet; Ebola; various scandals; and several others. Probably not though - the average person on the street just isn't interested, since they feel they can't do anything about it anyway!

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    Re: SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The truth is every legally registered voter already has valid ID. The alternative is that they don't cash checks or pay with checks, and they do not drive. They just stay at home and live like hermits.
    According to JasperL, there are a lot of people living that way. If he's right, then it would seem to me to be worthwhile to help them and encourage them to get a proper ID.

    Just being able to open a checking account instead of going to the check cashing place would save them a lot of money, no doubt more than they would be out of pocket for a birth certificate and so on.

    So, wouldn't getting an ID be an advantage to the urban poor, even if, as is being claimed, voter fraud is minimal?

    Edit: and don't they need a picture ID if they get food stamps or Medicaid? We're talking about the poor here, aren't we?
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