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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

Well post some evidence #1 He "reversed" or "reneged" on something.

As for the rest that is exactly what I am saying. In fact it's funny because that goes directly against what Usconservative said. :lamo
It has already been posted several times. That is your fault for not paying attention. And the fact that you included "reneged" just attests to that.
Even Johnson says that Wilson left and then reengaged. D'oh!
And no, your premise was false, so the rest is not what you were saying.
Officer Wilson was aware when he reengaged them, and that re engagement was because of the robbery. Which is not what you said at all.

As for Usconservative? That is irrelevant to me correcting you.
If you want to correct him go ahead.
 
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I posted what the Chief of police said. So far you got nothing.
Actually you didn't.
You posted a Headline of a reporter's incorrect interpretation of what the chief said.
Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says - http://www.newsweek.com/police-name-officer-who-shot-mike-brown-darren-wilson-264788
I on the other hand, quoted exactly what the Chief said so it would contrast the incorrect assertion that you provided.
that the "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown."
 
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My son would never put himself in such a place.

How sick of you to expect those who'd defend you to risk their life at the hands of one who'd cause such harm. Very sickening in every way.


Harsh and very sad. I am sure if it was your son, you'd be singing a different tune.
 
You take those article at face value? An unnamed source who was not there? I read that the officer did not suffer a fractured eye socket and that it was proven to be false. I need more evidence...

Post your links from those "that were there" - they may include witnesses that heard 2 or 3 shots, saw shots in the back and had no clue that there was any action in/near the police vehicle. With an angry mob looting, shootung and burning not many sources that dissagree with that mobs version of events are likely come forward. You say that you need more evidence yet continue to hold your very biased opinion that there was no "serious" violent attack prior to the shooting.
 
Those folks aren't going to be charged with anything.

Yeah, I suspect that that is true. They probably don't want to fan the flames, eh?
 
Only Dorian Johnson claimed that.

The two girls--I forget their names--also claimed that, too. All three witness statements were propped as irrefutable.
 
Yeah, I suspect that that is true. They probably don't want to fan the flames, eh?

They're going to have enough violence as it is.
 
The two girls--I forget their names--also claimed that, too. All three witness statements were propped as irrefutable.

Source?
 
Absolutely and demonstrably false. The robbery occurred just a few minutes before the shooting-Brown had fled with a bunch of stolen merchandise (and was seen being quite aggressive on the video footage). The cop had heard just prior to asking Brown to move out of the street (he was walking down the middle of it) about a robbery in the area, and when he approached he saw that Brown was HOLDING MERCHANDISE THAT MATCHED THE ROBBERY DESCRIPTION. So we have a thug who likely thought that the cop was onto him, and we know from the officer that he now suspected Brown was involved in the robbery.

As this was happening, Brown reached into the officers vehicle, punched the cop, and tried to pull his gun, in the ensuing struggle the gun fired twice inside the vehicle-and the cop was still in his drivers seat.

So to say it had NOTHING to do with the shooting is silly, it did.

According to the police chief it had nothing to do with it. Or since Excon wants to mince words it's the initial contact. So no.
 
Actually you didn't.
You posted a Headline of a reporter's incorrect interpretation of what the chief said.
I on the other hand, quoted exactly what the Chief said so it would contrast the incorrect assertion that you provided.
that the "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown."

We are talking about WHY it was not reported right off. Because it had nothing at all to do with "the initial contact." What part of "knee jerk" do I need to explain to you?
 
The cop is not pushing up daisies.


Its common knowledge that going for a Police Officers weapon will do that to a person.

Michael Brown was either dumber than a bag of hammers, or suicidal, or maybe even both.

I still have this memory of this middle aged overweight White guy running around with his hands up during the " protest ". Saw the video clip on the news.

So many morons in this Country....
 
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According to the police chief it had nothing to do with it. Or since Excon wants to mince words it's the initial contact. So no.

As stated, they were initially stopped for walking down the middle of the street-and merely told to move off it. It was after the cop saw they had merchandise that he realized them may had been involved in the robbery nearby-right around this time he was attacked by Brown.
 
As stated, they were initially stopped for walking down the middle of the street-and merely told to move off it. It was after the cop saw they had merchandise that he realized them may had been involved in the robbery nearby-right around this time he was attacked by Brown.

Which is why the media did not know about it or have access to the video. They just didn't know. After the video was released... that is all you would all over the news.
 
I've lived a long time without feeling the need to punch a police officer and try to take his gun........I would assume that if I tried to do those things I wouldn't have lived a long time........
 
They're going to have enough violence as it is.

Yeah. When this police officer is rightfully exonerated, all hell will break loose.
 
This is like a scene from the twilight zone.

There are 9 eyewitnesses who have gone public with their accounts (Johnson, Crenshaw, Mitchell, Brady, McKnight, Walker, Freeman, construction worker, and the latest anonymous resident) and exactly 0 of them said that Brown charged, bumrushed or otherwise aggressively moved towards Wilson prior to Wilson opening fire after Brown turned around.

Out of the 3 that said that Brown made ANY voluntary movement towards Wilson (Walker, construction worker and anonymous resident), 2 said Brown had his hands up in the air (Walker, construction worker), the other (anonymous resident) said he had his hands in plain sight and away from his body but were more like being up in disbelief that he was being shot at, and that the officer shouldn't have been shooting. Either way, his hands were in the air and away from his body.

McKnight, who said that Brown only stumbled towards Wilson, specifically clarified that Brown did not rush Wilson, as did Walker.

The closest at all to "charging Wilson" came from the construction worker, who said that Brown had his hands up as he turned and started to walk back towards Wilson still with his hands up, when Wilson opened fire and the construction worker couldn't tell whether Brown's next movement forward was "you are shooting me anyway so I'll attack you" or whether he was just falling forward to his death after being shot multiple times, because he just couldn't tell from his perspective. And we've seen the construction workers' reactions real time on video, which were of the nature of "wtf."

How anyone actually thinks that any of the 9 eyewitness accounts support justification for the shooting after Brown stopped and turned around, regardless of what happened at the SUV, is a genuine miracle of ignorance.

As is the belief by anyone that the justice system is working on the side of objectivity and fairness, and not to protect its own.

"The entire scene from the car door to the...uh...shooting was about 35 feet."

And yes, Wilson will get off without even an indictment. That makes him legally not guilty, but it does not make him innocent.
 
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We are talking about WHY it was not reported right off. Because it had nothing at all to do with "the initial contact." What part of "knee jerk" do I need to explain to you?
No Black Dog, we (as in, you and I) are not. We are talking about a false assertion made by you because you did not know the evidence.


And this latest comment by you just confirms your dishonestly in deflecting from being wrong in what you said and to what was actually being discussed.
First of all the basis of what was being discussed is irrelevant to your false statement.
Secondly, you don't even have that right.
In regards to your false assertion, what you now say is betrayed by your own word usage and what you provided in support of your assertion.
It shows that you were not speaking to the "initial" engagement by Officer Wilson. It also shows that you didn't even know there were two separate engagements. So stop trying to obfuscate the fact that you were wrong.

What you said was;
That story (about the robbery) never got around because it had absolutely nothing at all to do with his arrest or shooting, at all.
That is a false statement because the contact you spoke about was the second engagement of "arrest" (which specifically was what you were speaking about) and it had every thing to do with the robbery and his eventually being shot.
And even though you were corrected, you still clung to your false assertion by providing an incorrect report/headline.

Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says - http://www.newsweek.com/police-name-officer-who-shot-mike-brown-darren-wilson-264788

The Chief never said any such thing. He said the initial contact had nothing to do with the robbery or the shooting.
It was the subsequent contact which did. You know, after he disengaged and drove off, he became aware of them fitting the description of those who robbed the store, so he reversed his vehicle and reengaged Brown and Johnson.
This contact had everything to do with the robbery and lead to the shooting.

And even though it was pointed out to you what the Chief actually said, and that he never said what the report you provided indicated, you again falsely state that is what the Chief said. D'oh! :doh

No, we are not talking about why it was not reported right off, especially as it was. It is why folks like you have glommed on to the false report of what the Chief really didn't say. Because the Robbery was known and reported on.

So to what was originally being spoken about. Which you also got wrong, and were wrong in what you said.

The two "sides" have never been equivocal. Lets not pretend otherwise.
Yes they have. The cop was defending himself from a "thug" and worse while the opposite side with it's race baiting etc. 2 Sides of the same coin.

Of course I am no partisan hack either.
Said the partisan hack. :doh

As this is what was originally being spoken about in that exchange, you are wrong again. There is, and was no equivalency between the two.
"Thug" did not come into play until Brown's actions as a thug were known.
And his involvement in the robbery was known before the store video was released by the Police and before the riots/protests.
So you are just speaking nonsense, as usual.
Yeah, the knee jerking belongs to you as well as the rioters.
 
This is like a scene from the twilight zone.
Not at all.
The problem here seems to be your willingness to believe the incredible.
Johnson lied from the get and it was obvious that others were just mimicking what he said.

His story and those that mimicked him fell apart when it was shown that Brown was not shot in the back, and continued to fall apart when they started changing their stories of his hands being up in the air surrendering, to they weren't up, to just slightly up, to they were just starting to go up.

The construction workers were too far to really hear anything, and the example given of how his hands were up (if that was an example) were in the position of a person who is taunting another, which is just what we heard Brown did to the Officer.

There were only two credible witnesses that were recorded, and one didn't even know it. And they both said that Brown was moving towards the Officer. And neither said he was surrendering.


There are 9 eyewitnesses who have gone public with their accounts (Johnson, Crenshaw, Mitchell, Brady, McKnight, Walker, Freeman, construction worker, and the latest anonymous resident) and exactly 0 of them said that Brown charged, bumrushed or otherwise aggressively moved towards Wilson prior to Wilson opening fire after Brown turned around.

Out of the 3 that said that Brown made ANY voluntary movement towards Wilson (Walker, construction worker and anonymous resident), 2 said Brown had his hands up in the air (Walker, construction worker), the other (anonymous resident) said he had his hands in plain sight and away from his body but were more like being up in disbelief that he was being shot at, and that the officer shouldn't have been shooting. Either way, his hands were in the air and away from his body.

McKnight, who said that Brown only stumbled towards Wilson, specifically clarified that Brown did not rush Wilson, as did Walker.

The closest at all to "charging Wilson" came from the construction worker, who said that Brown had his hands up as he turned and started to walk back towards Wilson still with his hands up, when Wilson opened fire and the construction worker couldn't tell whether Brown's next movement forward was "you are shooting me anyway so I'll attack you" or whether he was just falling forward to his death after being shot multiple times, because he just couldn't tell from his perspective. And we've seen the construction workers' reactions real time on video, which were of the nature of "wtf."

How anyone actually thinks that any of the 9 eyewitness accounts support justification for the shooting after Brown stopped and turned around, regardless of what happened at the SUV, is a genuine miracle of ignorance.

As is the belief by anyone that the justice system is working on the side of objectivity and fairness, and not to protect its own.

"The entire scene from the car door to the...uh...shooting was about 35 feet."

And yes, Wilson will get off without even an indictment. That makes him legally not guilty, but it does not make him innocent.
Wow! It is like you think all claimed witnesses have the same credibility.:doh They don't.
Most of the stories do not hold up to scrutiny with the evinced and other accounts.
 
Not at all.
The problem here seems to be your willingness to believe the incredible.
Johnson lied from the get and it was obvious that others were just mimicking what he said.

His story and those that mimicked him fell apart when it was shown that Brown was not shot in the back, and continued to fall apart when they started changing their stories of his hands being up in the air surrendering, to they weren't up, to just slightly up, to they were just starting to go up.

The construction workers were too far to really hear anything, and the example given of how his hands were up (if that was an example) were in the position of a person who is taunting another, which is just what we heard Brown did to the Officer.

There were only two credible witnesses that were recorded, and one didn't even know it. And they both said that Brown was moving towards the Officer. And neither said he was surrendering.



Wow! It is like you think all claimed witnesses have the same credibility.:doh They don't.
Most of the stories do not hold up to scrutiny with the evinced and other accounts.


It really adds a certain something to the discussion when you play criminologist, psychiatrist, attorney, otolaryngologist, and conspiracy theorist all in the same post.
 
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