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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

Middleground said:
There's no question? I read that he didn't need hospitalization. Link please.



Really? We must read different newspapers cuz I was under the impression that after the kerfuffle in the cruiser, Michael ran and eventually held up his arms in surrender.



Do you honestly think that it's an even playing field when one has a gun and the other doesn't? Please...
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The version that Brown was running away has already been proved to be fiction.
 
Paleocon said:
On its own, no. But given the witness testimony, that could be bad for Wilson.
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I believe the autopsy showed he didn't have his hands up.

The bullet holes are in the wrong place.
 
Middleground said:
I read that he didn't need hospitalization.
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The initial report was that he had serious facial injuries and was hospitalized.
It was later reported that his injuries were treated and that he left.
One could speculate that he had been admitted and then released after receiving treatment for his serious facial injuries.

So regardless if he had actually been admitted or not, he still had serious facial injuries which were treated.
The type and scope of such serious injuries remains to be seen.
 
Paleocon said:
The testimony that Brown was surrendering at the time of his death.
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Those are the same witnesses that claimed Brown didn't go for Wilson's gun.
 
Mason66 said:
Source of what, the autopsy?

haven't we been over this already in the other threads?
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Source that it's been proven that he didn't have his hands up.
 
NIMBY said:
You accuse me of going off the deep end with my partisan BS?
Here's from the right you defend--race pimps, President ebola, ISIL beheading ads, lying about the southern border and immigration;
The House on vacation since July 31st--the House refusing to work on ISIL or anything else--cowards--
the house waiting for 6 weeks before holding an ebola hearing when Dems asked for one in early September;

the list is much longer as you know;
GOPs politicizing one ebola death in the USA.
GOP ads politicizing heads being chopped off before the parents made them be taken down;

Are you surprised the ebola mess started in Texas dropping the ball every conceivable way?
With roles reversed, GOPs would accuse Texas of doing this on purpose.

Are you surprised with all the white policemen murdering blacks?
Sounds like an underground conspiracy to me.
If roles were reversed, GOPs would accuse Dem racists of scaring whites.

It's pretty clear to both of us who is spewing the partisan BS .
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That post is the very definition of spew. A miscellaneous mostly off topic collection of highly partisan and racist gripes and rants.

Look, you lost the point and the argument, you know it, we all know it. You were wrong about this one, face up to it.
 
Excon said:
The initial report was that he had serious facial injuries and was hospitalized.
It was later reported that his injuries were treated and that he left.
One could speculate that he had been admitted and then released after receiving treatment for his serious facial injuries.

So regardless if he had actually been admitted or not, he still had serious facial injuries which were treated.
The type and scope of such serious injuries remains to be seen.
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Initial reports don't mean squat. The news agencies don't even TRY to get those right anymore. It is a joke.
 
Paleocon said:
Source that it's been proven that he didn't have his hands up.
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Look at the autopsy.

The bullet wounds are in the wrong place if he had had his hands up.

I am sure you can find it online.

Why do you use words like "it's been proven"?

You know there has been no trial as of yet so the evidence is open to interpretation.
 
clownboy said:
That post is the very definition of spew. A miscellaneous mostly off topic collection of highly partisan and racist gripes and rants.

Look, you lost the point and the argument, you know it, we all know it. You were wrong about this one, face up to it.
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Not if the point was to deflect from the topic. That was attempted quite well, as usual.
 
Black Dog said:
That story never got around because it had absolutely nothing at all to do with his arrest or shooting, at all.
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Absolutely and demonstrably false. The robbery occurred just a few minutes before the shooting-Brown had fled with a bunch of stolen merchandise (and was seen being quite aggressive on the video footage). The cop had heard just prior to asking Brown to move out of the street (he was walking down the middle of it) about a robbery in the area, and when he approached he saw that Brown was HOLDING MERCHANDISE THAT MATCHED THE ROBBERY DESCRIPTION. So we have a thug who likely thought that the cop was onto him, and we know from the officer that he now suspected Brown was involved in the robbery.

As this was happening, Brown reached into the officers vehicle, punched the cop, and tried to pull his gun, in the ensuing struggle the gun fired twice inside the vehicle-and the cop was still in his drivers seat.

So to say it had NOTHING to do with the shooting is silly, it did.
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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Cops shoot to stop the threat. Brown was huge (over 6'2, 250 lbs IIRC) and he was amped up on adrenalin (sympathetic stimulation) just prior to being shot-the simple physics of the case indicate that despite several gun shot wounds he was able to continue charging the cop. The last shot fired-a head shot-is what it took to stop the threat.

You dont have the backround knowledge to make a cogent argument here. Emotion speaking against logic.
 
stonewall50 said:
Initial reports don't mean squat. The news agencies don't even TRY to get those right anymore. It is a joke.
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:doh
The source was the police.
It was the Assistant (Police) Chief who took him to the hospital.
 
Middleground said:
All I will say to this is the following: this story would have been another page 20 snippet had the killing not been so brutal. This made headlines because:
1) six shots were fired.
2) according to witness reports, Brown had his arms up in the air.
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This was a story because a white cop shot a black "youth". It fit a narrative. Never pretend otherwise.
 
apdst said:
The original narrative was that Brown was walking on the sidewalk, headed to maw-maw's house, minding his own business...lol!
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Dont forget he was soon to start college and he was referred to as a "gentle giant". :doh

Apparently the kind who had "gently" robbed a store and assaulted the clerk there, and then then "gently" punched a cop and wrestled to take his gun. :roll:
 
Excon said:
And again showing that you do not know the evidence, that you do not understand what you read, and certainly do not bother to find out what the actual evidence is when you are corrected.

What is it about " reversed" and "reengaged" did you not understand?

Had you bothered to find out the actual evidence you would know that the Chief clarified that so people like you wouldn't latch on to false information.

What the chief actually told the reporters at the time was that the initial contact was not over the robbery.
that the "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown."​
In case you didn't know, "initial" would indicate there was more than one contact. Duh! And that initial contact was over them being in the middle of the street.
Now had you paid attention to what you were told, you would have understood that after Officer Wilson finished this initial encounter and drove off, he "reversed his vehicle and reengaged" Brown and Johnson over the robbery, as you were told.
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Well post some evidence #1 He "reversed" or "reneged" on something.

As for the rest that is exactly what I am saying. In fact it's funny because that goes directly against what Usconservative said. :lamo
 
US Conservative said:
Absolutely and demonstrably false. The robbery occurred just a few minutes before the shooting-Brown had fled with a bunch of stolen merchandise (and was seen being quite aggressive on the video footage). The cop had heard just prior to asking Brown to move out of the street (he was walking down the middle of it) about a robbery in the area, and when he approached he saw that Brown was HOLDING MERCHANDISE THAT MATCHED THE ROBBERY DESCRIPTION. So we have a thug who likely thought that the cop was onto him, and we know from the officer that he now suspected Brown was involved in the robbery.

As this was happening, Brown reached into the officers vehicle, punched the cop, and tried to pull his gun, in the ensuing struggle the gun fired twice inside the vehicle-and the cop was still in his drivers seat.

So to say it had NOTHING to do with the shooting is silly, it did.
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Well got any evidence backing up that? I posted what the Chief of police said. So far you got nothing.
 
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