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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

SouthernDemocrat said:
This wasn't a shootout. A shootout is a a gun battle between 2 armed groups.
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Wilson's life was in danger. The same emotions took control. Have YOU ever been in a shootout? Had to fire shots in anger, because you believe you were only seconds away from dieing? If you haven't, you probably save the the self righteous judgement.
 
Fishstyx said:
No training in the world completely eliminates fear or an adrenaline dump. Besides, most LE training trains that use of force is used until the threat is gone. So either the training worked as intended or it didn't.
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It appears Wilson's training worked exactly how it was intended.
 
apdst said:
Wilson's life was in danger. The same emotions took control. Have YOU ever been in a shootout? Had to fire shots in anger, because you believe you were only seconds away from dieing? If you haven't, you probably save the the self righteous judgement.
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It wasn't a shootout. I am not saying that the shooting wasn't justified. I simply pointing out that it wasn't a shootout. This officer most likely has never been involved in a shootout. I have never been involved in a shootout. I am pretty certain you have never been involved in a shootout. The vast majority of people have never been involved in a shootout and most people that have were while actively serving in combat. So while he may well have had reason to fear for his life, it wasn't a shootout as you have to have someone shooting back at you for it to be a shootout.
 
Middleground said:
That's one side. What did Michael Brown have to say?
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Brown said, "I'm taking his gun. I might use it to kill him. I'll show him who's boss".

Brown started a fight and lost. Had he just chilled-the-hell-out he would be alive.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It wasn't a shootout. I am not saying that the shooting wasn't justified. I simply pointing out that it wasn't a shootout. This officer most likely has never been involved in a shootout. I have never been involved in a shootout. I am pretty certain you have never been involved in a shootout. The vast majority of people have never been involved in a shootout and most people that have were while actively serving in combat. So while he may well have had reason to fear for his life, it wasn't a shootout as you have to have someone shooting back at you for it to be a shootout.
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Then why muck up the thread if you think Wilson was justified and was actually afraid for his life? Just let it go.
 
Jango said:
I suspect that the so-called witnesses to the incident were asked to write about what they had seen and then sign their name I.e. filling out a police report. Well, falsifying one is a felony. I anticipate prosecutions for those whom spread disinformation and libel which helped cause Ferguson to look like a War Zone. Nevertheless, I similarly anticipate Ferguson to erupt once again after this police officer is cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Those folks aren't going to be charged with anything.
 
apdst said:
Then why muck up the thread if you think Wilson was justified and was actually afraid for his life? Just let it go.
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You bitch and moan about so called race batters, but you engage in the same thing just from the other side. Calling the incident a shootout is just another example of that. You may as well call it a terrorist incident or claim the officer was defending himself against a rape attempt as either claim was be no less bullish** than calling it a shootout.
 
Excon said:
What you call a "fact", isn't a fact at all.

The original claim was that his hands were up surrendering.
Other witnesses mimicked that false claim.
That claim, from these witnesses then went from - they were up surrendering, to - they were up just a little, to - they were just going up.
Secondly. "Hands up" is a position of fact. (Which has already changed by the witnesses.)
The interpretation of that, "surrendering", is nothing more than speculation, and given the circumstances, incredible speculation, as his hands up were most likely in the form of;, and at the same time he was, taunting the Officer about shooting him before he charged.
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The original narrative was that Brown was walking on the sidewalk, headed to maw-maw's house, minding his own business...lol!
 
Complete BS by someone who knows absolutely nothing about self defense. This is about RACE, hating white people, making black people out to be a victim, and the politics of extreme left vote buying.

Middleground said:
All I will say to this is the following: this story would have been another page 20 snippet had the killing not been so brutal. This made headlines because:
1) six shots were fired.
2) according to witness reports, Brown had his arms up in the air.
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SouthernDemocrat said:
You bitch and moan about so called race batters, but you engage in the same thing just from the other side. Calling the incident a shootout is just another example of that. You may as well call it a terrorist incident or claim the officer was defending himself against a rape attempt as either claim was be no less bullish** than calling it a shootout.
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Because I asked if someone has ever been in a shootout I'm race-baiting! Um...:lamo

Let's get one thing straight, before we proceed...I didn't call this a shootout.
 
Middleground said:
Thing is, he's supposed to be the professional. As an officer, it's his duty to be above that and he should have been trained to handle situation such as that.
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What training do you feel would enable YOU to handle being physically attacked by a much stronger person?
 
Middleground said:
All I will say to this is the following: this story would have been another page 20 snippet had the killing not been so brutal. This made headlines because:
1) six shots were fired.
2) according to witness reports, Brown had his arms up in the air.
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Two shots were fired inside the vehicle, during the struggle.
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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Ok, let's take the brutality into account. Now what?
 
Middleground said:
Thing is, he's supposed to be the professional. As an officer, it's his duty to be above that and he should have been trained to handle situation such as that.
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Was he human?
 
CalGun said:
Complete BS by someone who knows absolutely nothing about self defense. This is about RACE, hating white people, making black people out to be a victim, and the politics of extreme left vote buying.
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+1 :applaud
 
CalGun said:
Complete BS by someone who knows absolutely nothing about self defense. This is about RACE, hating white people, making black people out to be a victim, and the politics of extreme left vote buying.
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Ahhhhhh... no.
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force...
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:shock:
Once deadly force is required, you shoot to kill. Reload if you have too.

Middleground said:
I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over...
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If you are not on the jury your unqualified assumption has no merit. Prove it.



Middleground said:
rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained.
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Once again a false assumption. I'd venture to opine that you have received little or no train in the use of deadly force, never walked a live fire simulator. I'd venture to opine that you have no real knowledge of his training or what his personal experiences are that have influenced his actions on that day.




Middleground said:
From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero.
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Cute.

I'd venture to opine that the cop was more of a hero than the despicable person that you are trying to make him out as.


Middleground said:
Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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Your right! It should stand as warning to others. You attack a cop for no good reason and you stand a very good chance that you will meet deadly force in return.
 
My I suggest you take a defensive shooting class. You have no concept of reality here. Police are told to keep shooting until the threat is gone. They are not trained to shoot once or twice and stop, look and see if the threat is gone.

Police officers are taught to live and not hope they will after a couple of rounds.

Middleground said:
Ahhhhhh... no.
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Middleground said:
Do you not hold a trained police officer to a much higher standard? :confused:
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You are not so confused as to evade my simple question. They are not trained to simply accept being beaten and having their gun taken from them.

What standard do you propose for the use of deadly force that they are issued?

There was no question as to whether the trained officer faced a brutal attack, only whether the attack was truly over. Simply because one is not armed does not mean that they pose no serious physical threat.
 
CalGun said:
My I suggest you take a defensive shooting class. You have no concept of reality here. Police are told to keep shooting until the threat is gone. They are not trained to shoot once or twice and stop, look and see if the threat is gone.

Police officers are taught to live and not hope they will after a couple of rounds.
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How many times do we hear of an assailant turned into Swiss cheese?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There was no question as to whether the trained officer faced a brutal attack,
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There's no question? I read that he didn't need hospitalization. Link please.

only whether the attack was truly over.
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Really? We must read different newspapers cuz I was under the impression that after the kerfuffle in the cruiser, Michael ran and eventually held up his arms in surrender.

Simply because one is not armed does not mean that they pose no serious physical threat.
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Do you honestly think that it's an even playing field when one has a gun and the other doesn't? Please...
 
Middleground said:
There's no question? I read that he didn't need hospitalization. Link please.



Really? We must read different newspapers cuz I was under the impression that after the kerfuffle in the cruiser, Michael ran and eventually held up his arms in surrender.



Do you honestly think that it's an even playing field when one has a gun and the other doesn't? Please...
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Here is a link or two:

New Report: During Physical Confrontation with Brown, Police Officer Sustained Serious Injury

Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source | Fox News
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How so? The argument is about whether the officer felt (should have known?) that the threat of (further) attack had ended - my example shows that hand position (alone) is a poor indication of intent.
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Michael Brown wasn't a boxer, and he certainly wasn't wearing boxing gloves. Surely you aren't saying that Brown was taking a boxing stance several feet away facing someone with a gun who had already shot him, are you? Other than these major differences your comparison is spot on.
 
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