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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

BringIt said:
As with any case, you must take the credibility of each and every witness into account.

Were their testimonies tainted by peer pressure, the heat of the moment, and/or a common agenda. What is the veracity of their story? Do they (the witnesses, on a case by case basis) have an ax to grind with the police. Have they been previously arrested, or have they been caught in previous lies?

You know they will look at every facet of the cop's history. It's only fair that the credibility of each witness be examined and considered.




It could also be argued that there is no forensic proof that he was NOT charging (at the time he was killed).

However, the video of him strong-arming and robbing the store moments before speaks to his state of mind.
Now add the uncontested fact that he aggressively attacked the officer in his car demonstrates his crazed indifference.
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Is there actual reason to dispute the credibility of the witnesses (aside from Dorian Johnson)?

And in the absence of forensic proof, the testimony of the witnesses should prevail if there is not reason to suspect them.
 
Fishstyx said:
Thats unbiased evidence that supports Wilson's version. Unless you're buying into some conspiracy that FBI is doctoring the evidence to support Wilson, which is pretty laughable considering who their boss is.
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That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
 
Middleground said:
Do you think all blacks write like that or just Michael Brown?
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Oh ferchrissake....get a little humor in your life..... every quip does not have racial bearing... Have you given thought to the fact that you have no idea of my genealogy... the color of my skin ??

An Irish brogue would not be fitting..

People should not take themselves so seriously

Find a little humor

Thom Paine
 
Thom Paine said:
Oh ferchrissake....get a little humor in your life..... every quip does not have racial bearing... Have you given thought to the fact that you have no idea of my genealogy... the color of my skin ??

An Irish brogue would not be fitting..

People should not take themselves so seriously

Find a little humor

Thom Paine
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I have a great sense of humour... but sometimes a line is crossed. Sorry, I think you did.
 
Paleocon said:
Dorian Johnson excepted, none of the witnesses denied that Brown attacked Wilson in his car.

This doesn't discredit the evidence of manslaughter.
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What evidence?
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force,
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You mean the eyewitnesses who lied about other important details?
 
Black Dog said:
The robbery is why Officer Wilson reversed his vehicle and reengaged Brown and Johnson.
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You might want to talk to the police chief about that...

Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says - http://www.newsweek.com/police-name-officer-who-shot-mike-brown-darren-wilson-264788
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And again showing that you do not know the evidence, that you do not understand what you read, and certainly do not bother to find out what the actual evidence is when you are corrected.

What is it about " reversed" and "reengaged" did you not understand?

Had you bothered to find out the actual evidence you would know that the Chief clarified that so people like you wouldn't latch on to false information.

What the chief actually told the reporters at the time was that the initial contact was not over the robbery.
that the "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown."​
In case you didn't know, "initial" would indicate there was more than one contact. Duh! And that initial contact was over them being in the middle of the street.
Now had you paid attention to what you were told, you would have understood that after Officer Wilson finished this initial encounter and drove off, he "reversed his vehicle and reengaged" Brown and Johnson over the robbery, as you were told.
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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You're leaving something out, remember, Wilson had just sustained blows to the face. So him just being "angry" doesn't really fly here. Sure there were a combination of emotions going through him.

The last wild card and the forensics may shed light on this as well is whether Brown charged him on the street. Some accounts say yes, some say no. If there is a blood trail on the road, it very well could corroborate the rest of Wilson's version. So, if Brown charged him after assaulting him in the car, the shooting is certainly justified.
 
Middleground said:
That's 2 shots. There were four more.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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Um, excuse me....The report from Wilson's side, as rendered by the girlfriend some time ago, already answered your question here. To paraphrase, she said that Wilson told her that after the tussle in the car, Brown, and Johnson were fleeing, when Brown stopped, turned, and started taunting the just assualted Wilson, stepping toward him saying "You ain't gonna shoot me, what you gonna do?" Now, Wilson who had just been in a fight with Brown, with Brown going for his gun was supposed to do what in your eyes? Holster his weapon like some cheesy Law and Order episode and talk him down with logic?

This is the real world, not some TV set, with a story line to follow. Wilson, told the man that just fought him to follow his order, and surrender, and Brown continued to believe that he could just engage the officer and beat his ass with NO repercussion....He was wrong....That's what you get for making horrible decisions...

The fact that you think some unrealistic scenerio of Brown being logical, and giving in to some calm TV ending where no one is hurt, and the cop is rhetorically sophisticated enough to appeal to an adrenaline pumped street thug that was in full show off mode for his friend, is absurd and ridiculous...

No charges will be forthcoming for this officer, and shouldn't be...If the community wants to trash their home for that, then they are as challenged as Brown was that fateful day.
 
NIMBY said:
You accuse me of going off the deep end with my partisan BS?
Here's from the right you defend--race pimps, President ebola, ISIL beheading ads, lying about the southern border and immigration;
The House on vacation since July 31st--the House refusing to work on ISIL or anything else--cowards--
the house waiting for 6 weeks before holding an ebola hearing when Dems asked for one in early September;

the list is much longer as you know;
GOPs politicizing one ebola death in the USA.
GOP ads politicizing heads being chopped off before the parents made them be taken down;

Are you surprised the ebola mess started in Texas dropping the ball every conceivable way?
With roles reversed, GOPs would accuse Texas of doing this on purpose.

Are you surprised with all the white policemen murdering blacks?
Sounds like an underground conspiracy to me.
If roles were reversed, GOPs would accuse Dem racists of scaring whites.

It's pretty clear to both of us who is spewing the partisan BS .
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One I don't defend any of the rights BS. I am quite liberal on most social issues and can't stand the rights religious crap so don't tell me what I support.
Two from all the posts I see from you are nothing but blind partisan attacks on the right and defense of the democrats no matter the topic.
Finally you probably should move these posts to the conspiracy section because you have gone off the deep end.
 
Excon said:
Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and JULIE BOSMANOCT. 17, 2014

WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.

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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle​


The false narrative continues to fall apart while the lying witnesses become exposed for what they truly are.
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If it can be proven that the officer's gun was fired within the confines of his squad car? Game.Over.
 
CNN never took the credibility of the witness to account. The THUG Brown traveled with is their witness that gave an account of an officer shooting an unarmed man trying to surrender. They ran with that story with NO evidence other than the THUG's statement and to be honest they should lose their license to do business over such a failure and lack of common sense.

BringIt said:
As with any case, you must take the credibility of each and every witness into account.

Were their testimonies tainted by peer pressure, the heat of the moment, and/or a common agenda. What is the veracity of their story? Do they (the witnesses, on a case by case basis) have an ax to grind with the police. Have they been previously arrested, or have they been caught in previous lies?

You know they will look at every facet of the cop's history. It's only fair that the credibility of each witness be examined and considered.




It could also be argued that there is no forensic proof that he was NOT charging (at the time he was killed).

However, the video of him strong-arming and robbing the store moments before speaks to his state of mind.
Now add the uncontested fact that he aggressively attacked the officer in his car demonstrates his crazed indifference.
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Middleground said:
What's your take on why the cop had to turn him into swiss cheese?
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Is there a law that states when an officer should stop defending himself?

Did the officer have a toxicology report on the attacker? Did he know if the attacker was supercharged on PCP or some other form of drug? After all, would someone in their right mind attack a police officer seated in his car in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day?

Does the cop have the right to stand his ground or is he required to shoot and run? Is he required to shoot and then wait to analyze the effect of his shot, before firing another round?

Once deadly force is deemed appropriate, is an officer required to step back and reevaluate on a shot by shot basis?

Was the cop a human? Under stress? Was his adenine pumping after his life and death struggle in the car seconds before?
 
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Fishstyx said:
You're leaving something out, remember, Wilson had just sustained blows to the face. So him just being "angry" doesn't really fly here. Sure there were a combination of emotions going through him.

The last wild card and the forensics may shed light on this as well is whether Brown charged him on the street. Some accounts say yes, some say no. If there is a blood trail on the road, it very well could corroborate the rest of Wilson's version. So, if Brown charged him after assaulting him in the car, the shooting is certainly justified.
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From what I know so far, the officer's injuries were minor and did not require hospitalization. But yeah, there is still more information needed to be pieced together.
 
NIMBY said:
Conspiracy by the DA to cover up a shooting crime is also a crime .
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And the physical evidence seems to support Wilson's version of events, along woth the 2 or 3 witnesses who didn't lie their asses off to the entire country.
 
BringIt said:
Is there a law that states when an officer should stop defending himself?

Did the officer have a toxicology report on the attacker? Did he know if the attacker was supercharged on PCP or some other form of drug? After all, would someone in their right mind attack a police officer seated in his car in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day?

Does the cop have the right to stand his ground or is he required to shoot and run? Is he required to shoot and then wait to analyze the effect of his shot, before firing another round?

Once deadly force is deemed appropriate, is an officer required to step back and reevaluate on a shot by shot basis?

Was the cop a human? Under stress? Was his adenine pumping after his life and death struggle in the car seconds before?
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All I will say to this is the following: this story would have been another page 20 snippet had the killing not been so brutal. This made headlines because:
1) six shots were fired.
2) according to witness reports, Brown had his arms up in the air.
 
Texmex said:
What an ignorant comparison!
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How so? The argument is about whether the officer felt (should have known?) that the threat of (further) attack had ended - my example shows that hand position (alone) is a poor indication of intent.
 
j-mac said:
Um, excuse me....The report from Wilson's side, as rendered by the girlfriend some time ago, already answered your question here. To paraphrase, she said that Wilson told her that after the tussle in the car, Brown, and Johnson were fleeing, when Brown stopped, turned, and started taunting the just assualted Wilson, stepping toward him saying "You ain't gonna shoot me, what you gonna do?" Now, Wilson who had just been in a fight with Brown, with Brown going for his gun was supposed to do what in your eyes? Holster his weapon like some cheesy Law and Order episode and talk him down with logic?

This is the real world, not some TV set, with a story line to follow. Wilson, told the man that just fought him to follow his order, and surrender, and Brown continued to believe that he could just engage the officer and beat his ass with NO repercussion....He was wrong....That's what you get for making horrible decisions...

The fact that you think some unrealistic scenerio of Brown being logical, and giving in to some calm TV ending where no one is hurt, and the cop is rhetorically sophisticated enough to appeal to an adrenaline pumped street thug that was in full show off mode for his friend, is absurd and ridiculous...

No charges will be forthcoming for this officer, and shouldn't be...If the community wants to trash their home for that, then they are as challenged as Brown was that fateful day.
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Hearsay much?
 
apdst said:
Fear, adrenaline...have you ever been in a shootout?
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Thing is, he's supposed to be the professional. As an officer, it's his duty to be above that and he should have been trained to handle situation such as that.
 
Middleground said:
Thing is, he's supposed to be the professional. As an officer, it's his duty to be above that and he should have been trained to handle situation such as that.
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He's a patrolman in a suburd. Not a soldier in Delta Force. The level of discipline and machine-like performance you're asking for exists only on TV.
 
Middleground said:
Thing is, he's supposed to be the professional. As an officer, it's his duty to be above that and he should have been trained to handle situation such as that.
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No training in the world completely eliminates fear or an adrenaline dump. Besides, most LE training trains that use of force is used until the threat is gone. So either the training worked as intended or it didn't.
 
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