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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    As with any case, you must take the credibility of each and every witness into account.

    Were their testimonies tainted by peer pressure, the heat of the moment, and/or a common agenda. What is the veracity of their story? Do they (the witnesses, on a case by case basis) have an ax to grind with the police. Have they been previously arrested, or have they been caught in previous lies?

    You know they will look at every facet of the cop's history. It's only fair that the credibility of each witness be examined and considered.




    It could also be argued that there is no forensic proof that he was NOT charging (at the time he was killed).

    However, the video of him strong-arming and robbing the store moments before speaks to his state of mind.
    Now add the uncontested fact that he aggressively attacked the officer in his car demonstrates his crazed indifference.
    Is there actual reason to dispute the credibility of the witnesses (aside from Dorian Johnson)?

    And in the absence of forensic proof, the testimony of the witnesses should prevail if there is not reason to suspect them.

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats unbiased evidence that supports Wilson's version. Unless you're buying into some conspiracy that FBI is doctoring the evidence to support Wilson, which is pretty laughable considering who their boss is.
    That's 2 shots. There were four more.

    And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Do you think all blacks write like that or just Michael Brown?

    Oh ferchrissake....get a little humor in your life..... every quip does not have racial bearing... Have you given thought to the fact that you have no idea of my genealogy... the color of my skin ??

    An Irish brogue would not be fitting..

    People should not take themselves so seriously

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Oh ferchrissake....get a little humor in your life..... every quip does not have racial bearing... Have you given thought to the fact that you have no idea of my genealogy... the color of my skin ??

    An Irish brogue would not be fitting..

    People should not take themselves so seriously

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Dorian Johnson excepted, none of the witnesses denied that Brown attacked Wilson in his car.

    This doesn't discredit the evidence of manslaughter.
    What evidence?

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's 2 shots. There were four more.

    And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force,
    You mean the eyewitnesses who lied about other important details?

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    The robbery is why Officer Wilson reversed his vehicle and reengaged Brown and Johnson.
    You might want to talk to the police chief about that...

    Robbery Had Nothing to Do with Lethal Shooting, Ferguson Police Chief Says - http://www.newsweek.com/police-name-...-wilson-264788
    And again showing that you do not know the evidence, that you do not understand what you read, and certainly do not bother to find out what the actual evidence is when you are corrected.

    What is it about " reversed" and "reengaged" did you not understand?

    Had you bothered to find out the actual evidence you would know that the Chief clarified that so people like you wouldn't latch on to false information.

    What the chief actually told the reporters at the time was that the initial contact was not over the robbery.
    that the "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown."
    In case you didn't know, "initial" would indicate there was more than one contact. Duh! And that initial contact was over them being in the middle of the street.
    Now had you paid attention to what you were told, you would have understood that after Officer Wilson finished this initial encounter and drove off, he "reversed his vehicle and reengaged" Brown and Johnson over the robbery, as you were told.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's 2 shots. There were four more.

    And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?
    You're leaving something out, remember, Wilson had just sustained blows to the face. So him just being "angry" doesn't really fly here. Sure there were a combination of emotions going through him.

    The last wild card and the forensics may shed light on this as well is whether Brown charged him on the street. Some accounts say yes, some say no. If there is a blood trail on the road, it very well could corroborate the rest of Wilson's version. So, if Brown charged him after assaulting him in the car, the shooting is certainly justified.

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's 2 shots. There were four more.

    And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. But it does not take one to think that perhaps the officer used too much force, especially with the eye witness accounts of his surrendering. I'd venture to opine that the officer was pissed and let his anger take over rather than handle this situation in the manner that he should have been trained. From what I know, Michael Brown was certainly more a thug than a hero. Regardless, the brutality of his death should not be overlooked, don't you think?

    Um, excuse me....The report from Wilson's side, as rendered by the girlfriend some time ago, already answered your question here. To paraphrase, she said that Wilson told her that after the tussle in the car, Brown, and Johnson were fleeing, when Brown stopped, turned, and started taunting the just assualted Wilson, stepping toward him saying "You ain't gonna shoot me, what you gonna do?" Now, Wilson who had just been in a fight with Brown, with Brown going for his gun was supposed to do what in your eyes? Holster his weapon like some cheesy Law and Order episode and talk him down with logic?

    This is the real world, not some TV set, with a story line to follow. Wilson, told the man that just fought him to follow his order, and surrender, and Brown continued to believe that he could just engage the officer and beat his ass with NO repercussion....He was wrong....That's what you get for making horrible decisions...

    The fact that you think some unrealistic scenerio of Brown being logical, and giving in to some calm TV ending where no one is hurt, and the cop is rhetorically sophisticated enough to appeal to an adrenaline pumped street thug that was in full show off mode for his friend, is absurd and ridiculous...

    No charges will be forthcoming for this officer, and shouldn't be...If the community wants to trash their home for that, then they are as challenged as Brown was that fateful day.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You accuse me of going off the deep end with my partisan BS?
    Here's from the right you defend--race pimps, President ebola, ISIL beheading ads, lying about the southern border and immigration;
    The House on vacation since July 31st--the House refusing to work on ISIL or anything else--cowards--
    the house waiting for 6 weeks before holding an ebola hearing when Dems asked for one in early September;

    the list is much longer as you know;
    GOPs politicizing one ebola death in the USA.
    GOP ads politicizing heads being chopped off before the parents made them be taken down;

    Are you surprised the ebola mess started in Texas dropping the ball every conceivable way?
    With roles reversed, GOPs would accuse Texas of doing this on purpose.

    Are you surprised with all the white policemen murdering blacks?
    Sounds like an underground conspiracy to me.
    If roles were reversed, GOPs would accuse Dem racists of scaring whites.

    It's pretty clear to both of us who is spewing the partisan BS .
    One I don't defend any of the rights BS. I am quite liberal on most social issues and can't stand the rights religious crap so don't tell me what I support.
    Two from all the posts I see from you are nothing but blind partisan attacks on the right and defense of the democrats no matter the topic.
    Finally you probably should move these posts to the conspiracy section because you have gone off the deep end.

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