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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    His interpretation of the event is not evidence of what happened and matters not.
    The Officer continuing to shoot is reasonable.
    Deflection from all the flaws I pointed out in your interpretation of his account, attempt to directly refute the eyewitness's words like I personally said them, and then conclude with a couple of unsupported opinions.

    You have this gig down.

    Wait, let me get some condescending emoticons in there.

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Deflection from all the flaws I pointed out in your interpretation of his account, attempt to directly refute the eyewitness's words like I personally said them, and then conclude with a couple of unsupported opinions.

    You have this gig down.

    Wait, let me get some condescending emoticons in there.


    You haven't pointed out any flaws in my interpretation.


    Funny that you think you have.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    I am just telling you what witnesses actually said, not what I want them to have said. I think it makes sense in the context that all parties involved were under extreme duress and made decisions that in hindsight wouldn't be considered the best available option. Again, not a single eyewitness said that Wilson gave any commands for Brown to get down. Excon's emoticons won't change that fact.

    For example, the latest "black witness who claims to have seen the killing of Mike Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson 'from start to finish' and who also purports to have just completed testifying in front of the Grand Jury" actually said, and I am quoting from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch which is the newspaper that actually interviewed him:





    When we contrast it to certain other interpretations of this witness's account, we can see that:

    Rather than stopping, beginning to "advance" on Wilson, and Wilson firing only after Brown refused another of Wilson's commands to stop, the eyewitness said that Brown "took a step" towards Wilson and Wilson yelled one more "stop" and started firing before Brown could even take a second step.

    Rather than staggering, apparently being struck by one or more rounds, "then continuing to advance" on Wilson, the eyewitness said that Brown was staggering because he was just shot several times, after already being shot by the SUV, and was about to collapse. The officer did yell "stop" again but Brown was still staggering forward, with his hands out in a motion of disbelief, and he was trying to stand back up. He was "trying to stay on his feet."

    Rather than support the actions of Officer Darren Wilson as reasonable under the circumstances, the eyewitness summarized what he saw as follows: "Wilson didn't have to kill Brown. 'It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. ... What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.'"


    Witness adds new perspective to Ferguson shooting : News
    So in your view, what should Wilson have done?
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So in your view, what should Wilson have done?
    I don't claim to know exactly what he actually did. I am only confident enough to say that he shouldn't have fired the last volley of shots which ended Michael Brown's life, and that he should be held accountable for it (not murder, but more like involuntary manslaughter for use of excessive force), and I am also well aware that he won't be held accountable for it.

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    I am only confident enough to say that he shouldn't have fired the last volley of shots which ended Michael Brown's life, and that he should be held accountable for it (not murder, but more like involuntary manslaughter for use of excessive force), and I am also well aware that he won't be held accountable for it.
    Which is nonsense.
    Brown was a known threat. A threat that had just tried to take the Officer's firearm.
    A threat that continued to move towards the Officer despite being ordered not to.
    Both groupings of shots were justified. Which is why he wouldn't be held accountable able for it.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which is nonsense.
    Brown was a Known threat. A threat that had just tried to take the Officer's firearm.
    A threat that continued to move towards the Officer despite being ordered not to.
    Both groupings of shots were justified. Which is why he wouldn't be held accountable able for it.
    Never mind the kid was a thug. Completely irrelevant.

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and JULIE BOSMANOCT. 17, 2014

    WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

    The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

    The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

    This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.


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    The false narrative continues to fall apart while the lying witnesses become exposed for what they truly are.
    You mean the thug that went with Brown to choke the store owner was lying?

    Physical evidence doesn't matter in a witch hunt.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Have toxicology results been released?

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

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    Have toxicology results been released?
    No in regards to both.

    The only thing that has been reported was that Brown had MJ in his system and that was not an official release, but from a "source".

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Thank you. I am wondering about the presence of PCP.

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