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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    None of the witnesses said he yelled "get down" or anything other than "stop," which is when Brown stopped and turned around.

    He was ordering him to stop as he continued approaching the Officer.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    All do respect, why do you not believe it? Is it because who is involved?
    I do not speak for MaggieD, but of course it is about who is involved. What was it you did not understand from the earlier statements of incredible witnesses with incredible accounts?
    Johnson is a liar and was shown to be lying about this incident.

    I think the question should be is why you believe a liar like Johnson?
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Maggie

    All do respect, why do you not believe it? Is it because who is involved?

    One thing I will agree with. The jury will not convict.
    Cops aren't idiots. The cop has NO strength in a sitting position in his squad car. He has no leverage. All he's got is arm strength to wrestle with a guy on his feet standing over him. Nope, didn't happen that way. The guy standing over him is going to beat the living crap out of him. Cops aren't trained like that. He would have been out of his car and on his feet. No way would he have initiated a physical confrontation from a sitting position. No way.

    Think about it. Put your prejudice aside. Would you??

    Edit: Cops are trained that their squad cars make very efficient coffins. In close quarters, in their squad cars, they are sitting ducks. They can't maneuver. They can't use leverage. They can't use their weight. Nothing but the strength in their arms. No cop would initiate a wrestling match from a sitting position, behind a steering wheel, through a window. Nope. Never going to happen.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    None of the witnesses said he yelled "get down" or anything other than "stop," which is when Brown stopped and turned around.

    really?

    just "stop"

    does that make any sense whatsoever?

    i seen a few chases, and its always "get down" with a LOT of expletives thrown in, or i am gonna ****ing shoot you

    and they yell it....stop, or ill shoot........and then get down on your belly

    every freaking time........

    something just isnt adding up.......
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    really?

    just "stop"

    does that make any sense whatsoever?

    i seen a few chases, and its always "get down" with a LOT of expletives thrown in, or i am gonna ****ing shoot you

    and they yell it....stop, or ill shoot........and then get down on your belly

    every freaking time........

    something just isnt adding up.......


    A black witness who claims to have seen the killing of Mike Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson “from start to finish” and who also purports to have just completed testifying in front of the Grand Jury, has subsequently been interviewed by the local St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper (on condition of anonymity).

    Key facets of his testimony to the grand jury, as he recounts it, include:

    • Officer Wilson did not fire while Brown was moving away form him, but only when Brown turned back towards him.
    • Brown motioned with his arms out to his sides, but never raised them high.
    • Brown continued to advance on Wilson despite repeated orders to stop.
    • When Wilson fired his last rounds Brown was only ~20 feet away (those of you familiar with the Tueller drill understand the tactical implications of that distance, although this witness almost certainly did not).
    • Brown’s friend and criminal cohort Dorian Johnson took off running when the first round was fired inside Wilson’s police vehicle (thus casting further doubt on his testimony of later events, as if further doubt was needed).
    • He saw a struggle inside the patrol car, and saw Wilson’s hat fly off.
    • A shot was heard, at which point Brown ran, followed by Wilson (thus measurements of Brown’s body from Wilson’s vehicle are not likely representative of the distance between the men when Wilson fired).
    • Wilson, gun drawn, shouted repeatedly at Brown to stop his flight.
    • Brown stopped, mumbled something inaudible, and began advancing on Wilson, despite Wilson having his gun in hand.
    • Wilson again ordered Brown to stop, and fired three shots.
    • Brown staggered, apparently from being struck by one or more rounds, then continued to advance on Wilson.
    • Wilson fired four more rounds, the last of which discharged as Brown was falling.


    Remarkably, after having provided this testimony, the witness is quoted in the interview as saying “He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots. What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.”


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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    really?

    just "stop"

    does that make any sense whatsoever?

    i seen a few chases, and its always "get down" with a LOT of expletives thrown in, or i am gonna ****ing shoot you

    and they yell it....stop, or ill shoot........and then get down on your belly

    every freaking time........

    something just isnt adding up.......
    I am just telling you what witnesses actually said, not what I want them to have said. I think it makes sense in the context that all parties involved were under extreme duress and made decisions that in hindsight wouldn't be considered the best available option. Again, not a single eyewitness said that Wilson gave any commands for Brown to get down. Excon's emoticons won't change that fact.

    For example, the latest "black witness who claims to have seen the killing of Mike Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson 'from start to finish' and who also purports to have just completed testifying in front of the Grand Jury" actually said, and I am quoting from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch which is the newspaper that actually interviewed him:

    The witness said he had been on the right side of the police SUV and did not have a clear view of what happened on the opposite, driver’s side. “There was a tussle going on,” he said, adding that he believes he saw Wilson’s hat fly off.

    He then heard a shot and saw Brown run, followed by Wilson. He said Wilson aimed his handgun at Brown and yelled: “Stop! Stop! Stop!”

    The witness said Brown did stop, mumbled something he could not clearly hear and took a step toward Wilson.

    “When he stepped foot on that street, the officer told him to stop again, and he fired three shots,” the witness recalled. “When he (Brown) got hit, he staggered like, ‘Oh,’ and his body moved. Then he looked down.

    “His hands were up like this (he gestures with arms out to the side and palms upward), and he was looking at the officer and was coming toward him trying to keep his feet and stand up. The officer took a few steps back and yelled, ‘Stop,’ again, and Michael was trying to stay on his feet.

    “He was 20 to 25 feet from officer, and after he started staggering, he (Wilson) let off four more rounds. As he was firing those last rounds, Michael was on his way down. We were thinking, ‘Oh my God, oh my God, brother, stop, stop.’ He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots.”


    When we contrast it to certain other interpretations of this witness's account, we can see that:

    Rather than stopping, beginning to "advance" on Wilson, and Wilson firing only after Brown refused another of Wilson's commands to stop, the eyewitness said that Brown "took a step" towards Wilson and Wilson yelled one more "stop" and started firing before Brown could even take a second step.

    Rather than staggering, apparently being struck by one or more rounds, "then continuing to advance" on Wilson, the eyewitness said that Brown was staggering because he was just shot several times, after already being shot by the SUV, and was about to collapse. The officer did yell "stop" again but Brown was still staggering forward, with his hands out in a motion of disbelief, and he was trying to stand back up. He was "trying to stay on his feet."

    Rather than support the actions of Officer Darren Wilson as reasonable under the circumstances, the eyewitness summarized what he saw as follows: "Wilson didn't have to kill Brown. 'It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. ... What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.'"


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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

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    Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and JULIE BOSMANOCT. 17, 2014

    WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

    The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

    The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

    This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.


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    Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle


    The false narrative continues to fall apart while the lying witnesses become exposed for what they truly are.
    This seems to indicate Michael Brown did go for the police officer's gun: "...The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform...."

    Isn't deadly force authorized if a suspect tries to take a police officers gun?

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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Rather than support the actions of Officer Darren Wilson as reasonable under the circumstances, the eyewitness summarized what he saw as follows: "Wilson didn't have to kill Brown. 'It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. ... What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.'"
    His interpretation of the event is not evidence of what happened and matters not.
    The Officer continuing to shoot is reasonable.
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Give me one case in history where the cop is found guilty in the killing of a black?
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    Re: Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    This seems to indicate Michael Brown did go for the police officer's gun: "...The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform...."

    Isn't deadly force authorized if a suspect tries to take a police officers gun?
    It establishes him as a threat to the Officer.
    Some here wrongly think that this threat magically goes away when he turned and ran, and a whole new set of circumstances come into play when he started approaching the Officer after he turned back around.
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