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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

Hell no. If still has his hands up, he's still a threat. The angle of the bullet wounds indicate that he was charging.

To use your 'logic' as long as a suspect draws breath he/she is a 'threat'... :roll:

Problem with eyewitnesses is they think they saw it all when most times they didn't. Doesn't make 'em liars as some others attempt to crackle. it merely means they missed the beginning. What caused me pause is the officer shot the suspect multiple times once the suspect was off of him. I doubt the officer is charged, but once a suspect who doesn't have a deadly weapon stops MOST LE training says the use of deadly force is over.

I'd say only on a TV show could someone say the angle means much more than standing, kneeling or laying down. It would be an opinion at best.
 
Holder resigned just in time. Coincidence?
 
As predicted, more leaks:

Missouri police officer's full account of why he shot dead unarmed teen Michael Brown has been revealed for the first time -

Ferguson cop Darren Wilson's FULL version of why he shot Michael Brown | Daily Mail Online

A separate leaked autopsy report also appears to show Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot. The police also say Brown had marijuana on him at the time.

The statement said Wilson then noticed that they were carrying cigarillos, and that Johnson looked like a man described in recent radio alerts as a suspect in a convenience store theft in which 'blunts' were taken.

The police officer then said he parked his Chevrolet SUV, and called for assistance. But, he claims, as he tried to get out he was met with a punch in the face from Brown, who allegedly struck through the car's open window.

Etc
 
To use your 'logic' as long as a suspect draws breath he/she is a 'threat'... :roll:


That really is not only a childish way to open your point, but a lie as well.

Problem with eyewitnesses is they think they saw it all when most times they didn't.

That is absolutely true...And a major reason why "eyewitness testimony" in court is the most unreliable there is...

Doesn't make 'em liars as some others attempt to crackle.

No, it doesn't make them liars, what does that is when the forensics proves that their story is not true, and they continue with it anyway...THEN they become liars.

it merely means they missed the beginning.

Not always...There are many reasons that a story can be different than the facts...

What caused me pause is the officer shot the suspect multiple times once the suspect was off of him.

*Sigh* Considering the struggle that had just happened inside the Officer's SUV, including the struggle for the gun, the officer has a duty to arrest Brown. He gets out and orders Brown to stop, and Brown stops, turns, and starts to taunt Wilson, saying "What!, You gonna shoot me....?!" and starts approaching Wilson again. Wilson facing a man twice his size, whom had just assaulted him in the SUV, knows he would absolutely lose another altercation, and orders Brown to "STOP"! Brown takes another step and get's shot....

Lesson here, don't assault the police and try to take their gun, then menace them further and think that you'll not have anything bad happen.

I doubt the officer is charged, but once a suspect who doesn't have a deadly weapon stops MOST LE training says the use of deadly force is over.

I wan't you to now back this bull **** up...Give us any training manual that states that an officer must put themselves at risk of bodily harm, or death, because a suspect stops kicking their ass, and then resumes menacing behavior....

I'd say only on a TV show could someone say the angle means much more than standing, kneeling or laying down. It would be an opinion at best.

And I'd say that a TV show is where you must have come up with your blather of Wilson should have let Brown approach him again without firing until the suspect is subdued...Because only on the TV will you see a cop try and reason with a suspect that just tried to take their gun and kill them.
 
I read an article a while ago, that there were plans being drawn up for protests across the nation when/if no indictment comes down... So... I doubt peaceful is likely to occur.

Yep, I think most are aware of that now. What I hope occurs is that the violent crowd is about the size of the prior violent crowd among the peaceful protesters, rather than much larger. Regardless, law and order must prevail.
 
That really is not only a childish way to open your point, but a lie as well. That is absolutely true...And a major reason why "eyewitness testimony" in court is the most unreliable there is... No, it doesn't make them liars, what does that is when the forensics proves that their story is not true, and they continue with it anyway...THEN they become liars. Not always...There are many reasons that a story can be different than the facts... *Sigh* Considering the struggle that had just happened inside the Officer's SUV, including the struggle for the gun, the officer has a duty to arrest Brown. He gets out and orders Brown to stop, and Brown stops, turns, and starts to taunt Wilson, saying "What!, You gonna shoot me....?!" and starts approaching Wilson again. Wilson facing a man twice his size, whom had just assaulted him in the SUV, knows he would absolutely lose another altercation, and orders Brown to "STOP"! Brown takes another step and get's shot.... Lesson here, don't assault the police and try to take their gun, then menace them further and think that you'll not have anything bad happen. I wan't you to now back this bull **** up...Give us any training manual that states that an officer must put themselves at risk of bodily harm, or death, because a suspect stops kicking their ass, and then resumes menacing behavior.... And I'd say that a TV show is where you must have come up with your blather of Wilson should have let Brown approach him again without firing until the suspect is subdued...Because only on the TV will you see a cop try and reason with a suspect that just tried to take their gun and kill them.

What you are saying is pure opinion, the 'forensics' don't claim the suspect was coming back at the police officer, you make that leap.

The childish point was all yours, you attempt to turn a surrender into a threat. Might as well claim once a citizen gets into a struggle with LE, the attacker is a threat as long as he breathes.

Actually I helped train Reserve Officers where the presentation of their firearm to use deadly force taught you keep focused on the suspect and not the front sight (be surprised how many look at the front sight and watch it onto COM) If the suspect surrenders while you are raising your pistol, you don't get a free pass to shoot him anyway.

No you use your typical CON game... NO WHERE did I say a cop MUST risk his life when confronting a dangerous suspect, am saying a cop can't dump a mag at someone out of fear/anger. Bit of a difference.

There is a rule we call the 21 foot rule. It is simple, if a perp is rushing you and is within 21 feet of you. contact will be made, even if you have your weapon out. What struck me as not jibing with the rather trite, "he came at me (after I had already shot him and he had retreated) and I feared for my life" is how many rounds the cop managed to put into Brown while Brown was coming at him.

As far as your attempt to bring TV into this... IF I ever watch cop shows it is to laugh at the rather silly leaps of 'science' the shows make in presenting evidence.

Nice try but it just don't fly... :peace
 
What you are saying is pure opinion, the 'forensics' don't claim the suspect was coming back at the police officer, you make that leap.

The childish point was all yours, you attempt to turn a surrender into a threat. Might as well claim once a citizen gets into a struggle with LE, the attacker is a threat as long as he breathes.

Actually I helped train Reserve Officers where the presentation of their firearm to use deadly force taught you keep focused on the suspect and not the front sight (be surprised how many look at the front sight and watch it onto COM) If the suspect surrenders while you are raising your pistol, you don't get a free pass to shoot him anyway.

No you use your typical CON game... NO WHERE did I say a cop MUST risk his life when confronting a dangerous suspect, am saying a cop can't dump a mag at someone out of fear/anger. Bit of a difference.

There is a rule we call the 21 foot rule. It is simple, if a perp is rushing you and is within 21 feet of you. contact will be made, even if you have your weapon out. What struck me as not jibing with the rather trite, "he came at me (after I had already shot him and he had retreated) and I feared for my life" is how many rounds the cop managed to put into Brown while Brown was coming at him.

As far as your attempt to bring TV into this... IF I ever watch cop shows it is to laugh at the rather silly leaps of 'science' the shows make in presenting evidence.

Nice try but it just don't fly... :peace

Then you obviously thought, or think that Officer Wilson should be the one laying in the street dead, instead of the Strong armed robbery, Assault on a police officer, Attempted murder of a police officer suspect.

I wonder if the Reserve Officers that you claim to train know that about you....?
 
This thing is taking a familiar course. Liberals reflexively defend the black person ( hey gotta lock in that 90% vote!) and discard any facts that don't fit the narrative of the jack booted cops terrorizing black youths, (As if that is within 10 miles of reality)

That said, I think the cop is going to have a hard time justifying six shots.
 
This thing is taking a familiar course. Liberals reflexively defend the black person ( hey gotta lock in that 90% vote!) and discard any facts that don't fit the narrative of the jack booted cops terrorizing black youths, (As if that is within 10 miles of reality)

That said, I think the cop is going to have a hard time justifying six shots.

Which, of those six shots, was not justified?
 
What you are saying is pure opinion, the 'forensics' don't claim the suspect was coming back at the police officer, you make that leap.

Thats not entirely accurate according the Washington Post's source.

In interviews with The Post, sources said blood spatter evidence shows that Brown was heading toward the officer during their faceoff, but analysis of the evidence did not reveal how fast Brown was moving.

Evidence supports officer
 
What you are saying is pure opinion, the 'forensics' don't claim the suspect was coming back at the police officer, you make that leap.

The childish point was all yours, you attempt to turn a surrender into a threat. Might as well claim once a citizen gets into a struggle with LE, the attacker is a threat as long as he breathes.

Actually I helped train Reserve Officers where the presentation of their firearm to use deadly force taught you keep focused on the suspect and not the front sight (be surprised how many look at the front sight and watch it onto COM) If the suspect surrenders while you are raising your pistol, you don't get a free pass to shoot him anyway.

No you use your typical CON game... NO WHERE did I say a cop MUST risk his life when confronting a dangerous suspect, am saying a cop can't dump a mag at someone out of fear/anger. Bit of a difference.

There is a rule we call the 21 foot rule. It is simple, if a perp is rushing you and is within 21 feet of you. contact will be made, even if you have your weapon out. What struck me as not jibing with the rather trite, "he came at me (after I had already shot him and he had retreated) and I feared for my life" is how many rounds the cop managed to put into Brown while Brown was coming at him.

As far as your attempt to bring TV into this... IF I ever watch cop shows it is to laugh at the rather silly leaps of 'science' the shows make in presenting evidence.

Nice try but it just don't fly... :peace


when a suspect surrenders, the FIRST thing the officer always does is get them to ground....yes?

put them on their belly with arms out to the side.....yes?

someone still coming forward is not in a "surrendering mode"

i dont know what was going through Browns mind, nor can anyone else

i also dont know what was going through Wilsons mind, but him thinking Brown was surrendering probably wasnt one of them

Large men who have already confronted an officer, and continuing toward same said officer, instead of going to ground, = big mistake on that persons part

that is how i see this right now.....i think it is that simple......
 
Adrenaline

I don't like to comment on these cases until I hear the evidence presented in court, subject to cross examination.
I'm guessing though, it will come down to this. Was the officer acting in a way that is consistent with the use of deadly force as taught by the Ferguson police force.
 
As predicted, more leaks:

Even more leaks:

Many AA witnesses support Wilson's version of events in front of the grand jury but are afraid to come forward.

Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html
 
liberals discussing climate change: "I listen to the experts ONLY."
liberals discussing Ferguson: "Screw the experts, they don't know anything."

way to stay consistent only when it suits your argument
 
Or Holder and the Justice Department come out against the leaks that may bolster support for Wilson and are worried it may enflame protestors.. but no such conerns about Sharpton et al actually enflaming the protestors.
 
Then you obviously thought, or think that Officer Wilson should be the one laying in the street dead, instead of the Strong armed robbery, Assault on a police officer, Attempted murder of a police officer suspect. I wonder if the Reserve Officers that you claim to train know that about you....?

Oh so much CON BS and drama.... :roll:

Those Reserve Officers had a hard lesson to learn... once the threat stops you can't empty your mag into someone. What many folks lack is experience in a real fight, one where you take the hit and not lose your mind.

I absolutely don't think a cop should die, far from it, but your 'logic' isn't supported by facts/logic/forensics- just bias. Who says the Cop would have died, he already shot Brown, already fought him off and your 'logic' has the cop putting three rounds into a charging man's head????? :doh

Try and put words in my posts all you want, I never said what you are trying to claim. Try and keep the debate to what is said and not what you wish was said... :2wave:
 
once the threat stops you can't empty your mag into someone.
Good thing for Wilson that isn't what happened in this case.
The threat, Brown, continued to be a threat when he turned to reengage him.
 
Then you obviously thought, or think that Officer Wilson should be the one laying in the street dead, instead of the Strong armed robbery, Assault on a police officer, Attempted murder of a police officer suspect.

I wonder if the Reserve Officers that you claim to train know that about you....?

He said the opposite of that and his referral to the Tueller Drill ("21 foot rule") is one reason I've been waiting to see distances on where the shots outside the vehicle took place.

You have made some good points but I found his post pretty evenhanded.
 
This thing is taking a familiar course. Liberals reflexively defend the black person ( hey gotta lock in that 90% vote!) and discard any facts that don't fit the narrative of the jack booted cops terrorizing black youths, (As if that is within 10 miles of reality)

That said, I think the cop is going to have a hard time justifying six shots.

I'm a liberal...now don't you just look silly and ignorant with your reflexive generalization?
 
I'm a liberal...now don't you just look silly and ignorant?

He looks silly and ignorant because you're a liberal?
 
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