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    Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    ...Washington (CNN) -- FBI Director James Comey says new encryption standards by Apple and Google will create "a black hole for law enforcement" that will help sophisticated criminals avoid detection.

    Comey is taking up the FBI's years-long push to expand federal surveillance law to require tech companies to include a way for law enforcement to get court ordered access to data on new devices.
    "The law hasn't kept pace with technology," Comey said in remarks at the Brookings Institution. "This disconnect has created a significant public safety problem. We call it 'going dark,' and what it means is this: those charged with protecting our people aren't always able to access the evidence we need to prosecute crime and prevent terrorism."...
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
    Interesting. Neither part is surprising (that the FBI wants access and that Apple can & will produce something that can't be accessed).

    The FBI Director would be bored to tears if he was able to access my iPhone, unless coordinating carpools, texting my husband a list of things to pick up at the grocery store, and setting up dinner dates with other couples is interesting to him.
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
    Gun manufactures can and do already manufacture weapons that have no or little distinguishing ballistic marking characteristics. Shotguns amongst others.
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
    You don't need Apple or Google to make your phone a black hole by the way. Its just uncommon. Secured phones are made for the government and corporations and private individuals already, Blackberry being the amongst them. They have been around for as long as there has been cellular communication.
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    I'm actually on the fence with this issue ---- while I agree there may be a very small number of instances where the government should be able to get a court to monitor your devices I don't trust our government to use that power truthfully or wisely. Since we will be having to deal with terrorism for the near future I'd like to know that the NSA or FBI could if they needed to, get a FISA court judge to sign off on an electronic tap but we've seen with Snowden's leaks through Wikileaks that our government cannot be trusted with that power.

    So I guess I have to say "NO" to the government. They'll need to get creative and use other legal means to accomplish their goals.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
    Criminals and terrorists could communicate with impunity.
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Criminals and terrorists could communicate with impunity.
    Exactly, they should only be able to get phones that cannot be encrypted. I'd feel safer that way.

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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Exactly, they should only be able to get phones that cannot be encrypted. I'd feel safer that way.
    I too feel that Benjamin Franklin was an idiot. We definitely should sacrifice every fiber of our freedom until the government deems us sufficiently safe".
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    Re: Why the FBI Director really wants to be able to access your iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To me, the real news is that Apple and Google plan to release phones that are encryption-secure. Where even they themselves cannot access data without the user's password.

    No more wire taps...no more being able to track calls...

    Should this be allowed?

    The only "example" I could think of would be if gun manufacturers could manufacture guns with no ballistics.
    I am not quite sure how the encryption will work, but I do not really think that we have thought through our laws on information use and access very well yet. It seems clear to me that to prevent data mining is crazy. But we do have to find a way to control all those persons and organizations that have access. People are not always nice and some of them will misuse the information and hurt people.

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