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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone can over-react to anything. it happens all of the time.

    It's not effective and it doesn't get the job done.

    If the powers that be aren't addressing a serious situation with enough effort or detail, we're the ones that are going to pay for it. By pressuring them into responding with appropriate measures, might be the difference between containment and serious outbreak. I'm telling you, once a disease this infectious and deadly gets moving in a country as dense and heavily traveled as ours population wise, it'll be an unstoppable mess. Yes, there's such a thing as overreacting to even a potential pandemic, but I haven't seen it yet, except in Media coverage. Which they do on everything, and usually on non important things.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    How bad do you want it to be, before it's gets full blown containment efforts?
    I didnt say it wasnt serious, I said it wasnt a full-blown epidemic, implying as you had, that it would take over all America (or 75%).

    The drama is reaching epic proportions!
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I didnt say it wasnt serious, I said it wasnt a full-blown epidemic, implying as you had, that it would take over all America (or 75%).

    The drama is reaching epic proportions!

    This is what the head of Red Cross and chief of the U.N.'s Ebola mission said...


    "In a globalized world it is an illusion to think that such a disease can be contained locally," he continued. "Every local collapse of a system like we see now in Liberia includes the threat of a global health catastrophe. That’s what we risk.“

    His comments echo those of Anthony Banbury, chief of the U.N.'s Ebola mission, who this week warned that if the global community does not step up its efforts to stop Ebola by Dec. 1, the world will "face an entirely unprecedented situation for which we don't have a plan."

    “Ebola got a head start on us,” Banbury told the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday. “It is far ahead of us, it is running faster than us, and it is winning the race."

    Red Cross president: 'The Ebola crisis will grow'
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This is what the head of Red Cross and chief of the U.N.'s Ebola mission said...


    "In a globalized world it is an illusion to think that such a disease can be contained locally," he continued. "Every local collapse of a system like we see now in Liberia includes the threat of a global health catastrophe. That’s what we risk.“

    His comments echo those of Anthony Banbury, chief of the U.N.'s Ebola mission, who this week warned that if the global community does not step up its efforts to stop Ebola by Dec. 1, the world will "face an entirely unprecedented situation for which we don't have a plan."

    “Ebola got a head start on us,” Banbury told the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday. “It is far ahead of us, it is running faster than us, and it is winning the race."

    Red Cross president: 'The Ebola crisis will grow'
    Its interesting that those who know seem quite concerned.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its interesting that those who know seem quite concerned.
    I'm not overly partisan about most issues, I'm split down the middle on many, but playing political games with something about the protection of our country from a devastating threat is ridiculous.

    I'm not screaming hysteria or panic, because I'll personally try to avoid if it comes here and not live in fear, but the Administration is being way to unrealistic and nonchalant.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm not overly partisan about most issues, I'm split down the middle on many, but playing political games with something about the protection of our country from a devastating threat is ridiculous.

    I'm not screaming hysteria or panic, because I'll personally try to avoid if it comes here and not live in fear, but the Administration is being way to unrealistic and nonchalant.
    Our forums lefties-who are overtly partisan think you are a hysterical fear monger right now. For a perfectly logical and rational belief.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our forums lefties-who are overtly partisan think you are a hysterical fear monger right now. For a perfectly logical and rational belief.
    I've been hearing that and they're being blinded by arrogance. I've worked around the health field long enough to know how deadly and proliferate microbes are. Their whole purpose is to consume a host and spread. There's a reason nations don't seriously consider or research germ warfare anymore, because it's uncontrollable.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've been hearing that and they're being blinded by arrogance. I've worked around the health field long enough to know how deadly and proliferate microbes are. Their whole purpose is to consume a host and spread. There's a reason nations don't seriously consider or research germ warfare anymore, because it's uncontrollable.
    Thats exactly it. When it comes to medicine in general and ID in particular-if you see a cocky person making definitive statements you already know they are full of it.

    Many on the left dont understand how big govt could let them down. Yet again they have been mugged by reality-but expect no insight. They never go there.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its markable that when it comes to open borders and ebola that you are suddenly pro-capitalism.
    Oh look. You won't even bother to try to answer my question.

    Since when was I ever anti-capitalist? It's embarrassing just how weak you are as a debater. It's even worse when I point out how you can't argue and then you go ahead and prove me right.

    Nobody cares about the economies of those nations-not if it means worldwide spread of the disease. We can't play with fire here-your hubris wont do.
    Look kid, I already pointed out how we don't have direct flights and how other areas in the world are hubs. You simply do not understand the topic. I already pointed out how how such a ban on entry to those people is pointless because they are flying in through high density hubs. I pointed out the obvious point that preventing entry to a 6 day infected West African but letting in a 3 day infected French men is stupid. But that's what would happen under your asinine model. Block those from West Africa directly (somehow, which you cannot actually detail) but let everyone else they've come in contact with? How intelligent is that?

    You simply have no understanding of this topic at all.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    These are many of the realities of a true committment to keeping Ebola from (re-)entering the country again. Very unpleasant.

    But IMO, may be necessary.
    The only way to stop Ebola from coming it from planes is to bar international flights. The interconnectedness of global travel has made a specific regional ban suitable only for placating ignorant people and giving politicians something to say. It does nothing to stop the actual transfer of disease.
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