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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I was just trying to get a clarification on your stance. Stopping flights from Ebola originating countries would be counterproductive.
    Decreasing chances of spread of the disease is not counterproductive. Most of the lives saved in infectious disease are from prevention and proper isolation-not political correctness.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    It might stop people with Ebola from coming here.
    Plus it wont undermine our failed Presidents unpopular immigration law thats coming.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    As it stands now we know who is coming from Ebola infested countries and can take action for it. If we stop flights from those countries then people in those countries who want to come here will just use a different route. Then we won't know who is coming from those countries. The only way to stop people from coming here from those countries is stop all inbound flights.
    By this flawed logic we should allow isis flights and keep our front doors open-you know-so we can "know who is coming".

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Seems like africa understands that closing borders contains the disease, why doesn't Obama and the CDC?
    Given what's going on with ebola in Africa, it seems that their strategy isn't working


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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    That's not what is being discussed in Washington. Many people are asking for flights from Ebola infested countries to be stopped. It's my thinking that if you want to go this route it would only be effective if you block all flights no matter what the origin. If you want to go the "flag passports" route I guess you could do that, but I'm not sure that all airports are equipped with the technology to do that.
    Again, the solution need not be perfect-its merely needs to be good enough. Open flights from places where people merely report fevers, especially with our demonstrably failed "screening" up to this point would merely be a portal of entry for this disease, purposefully, or more likely on accident. You dont tempt fate when you dont have to.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You're one the people who takes Herman Wouk's quote: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." seriously, eh?
    This implies Im apprehensive or evasive, or simply disingenuous. Not at all true. I work with infectious patients daily, and this is essentially like opening the doors of an isolation ward and expecting everything to turn up roses.

    When it comes to the health and welfare of millions, thats just not good enough.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Given what's going on with ebola in Africa, it seems that their strategy isn't working
    You didn't read the op.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i see no upside to letting non-quarantined travelers from West Africa into the US on commercial flights.
    We'd make a giant mess in terms of holding them. Either we'd deny them access into the US or deny them access at the European/Asian/Middle Eastern hub. That's going to cause nightmares for the airlines. Furthermore, it doesn't do a thing to stop the spread of disease elsewhere to groups we aren't barring. Like I said, what's the difference between blocking entry to a 6 days infected from West Africa but letting in a Frenchmen who's 3 days infected? This doesn't solve anything other than making some people feel like they're doing something when they're really not.

    we wouldn't hold them. they would be quarantined before getting on a plane in West Africa in the first place.
    And how are you going to get the West African governments to do that?
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    We'd make a giant mess in terms of holding them. Either we'd deny them access into the US or deny them access at the European/Asian/Middle Eastern hub. That's going to cause nightmares for the airlines. Furthermore, it doesn't do a thing to stop the spread of disease elsewhere to groups we aren't barring. Like I said, what's the difference between blocking entry to a 6 days infected from West Africa but letting in a Frenchmen who's 3 days infected? This doesn't solve anything other than making some people feel like they're doing something when they're really not.



    And how are you going to get the West African governments to do that?
    You appear more concerned with the poor airlines than you do about the ebola outbreak.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You appear more concerned with the poor airlines than you do about the ebola outbreak.
    No, I just don't see how causing economic damage for no medical changes is intelligent.

    I do not believe that placating the ignorant and giving politicians things to say that are economically damaging is intelligent when the actual medical benefit doesn't exist.

    Maybe you can answer the question Helix is avoiding?

    What's the difference between blocking entry to a 6 days infected from West Africa but letting in a Frenchmen who's 3 days infected?

    Don't think badly of me if I think you can't do it.

    It's obvious to me that you are working under the truly asinine assumption that there are direct flights between West Africa and the US daily in large numbers. And that we could somehow block them from getting on planes in West Africa. When in reality, few are flying at all and even fewer are flying direct. Most of them are flying into regional European, Asian or Middle Eastern hubs who are we are not proposing to block. Which renders the whole thing insane as if we were honest about an actual disease embargo, we'd stop that ENTIRE plane's passenger list from entering the US. Anywhere someone who's from West Africa has to be on the embargo list or otherwise, it's just pointless.

    Infected person flies from Liberia to Marseille. Infects a French woman sharing a cab. She then goes home and shares a meal with her sister who's scheduled to fly to the US catches a plane to Paris and then to the US.

    How has blocking West African flights to the US stopped the disease? I suspect you won't even ATTEMPT to answer that. The logistical problems are why people who understand this issue and international travel realize it's pointless. You do not hence why you are a big proponent of something you do not understand.
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