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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Seems like africa understands that closing borders contains the disease, why doesn't Obama and the CDC?


    You're one the people who takes Herman Wouk's quote: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." seriously, eh?

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I would guess most that fly into the US would be equipped to view a passport, identify the country of origin, and recognize if Western Africa was travel to within the past month. Some would surely make it through however, and they would be stopped upon entry into the US and quarantined - possibly with the rest of the flight depending upon the circumstances. Washington will get around to it eventually - the question is - will it then be too late?
    Well, they just announced that they appointed an Ebola Czar so I guess it's all solved now.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Are you proposing closing our border to all international travel?
    Yep, that is the only hope.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I was just trying to get a clarification on your stance. Stopping flights from Ebola originating countries would be counterproductive.
    Really? Lessee, they have or have a potential for carrying ebola. Don't let them come to the US right now. Fairly simple.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And when President Ebola closes the borders, you'll blame him for the ensuing economic chaos.
    Did you ever consider this disease might be a plant from Cheney last decade after the Kenyan was elected?

    Aren't you the least bit suspicious the problem in the USA began in secessionist Texas?
    With a hospital that refused to implement the CDC protocol in July?
    Too much of a coincidence for me knowing the GOP .
    Wow. Just wow.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    hyperpartisan hackery aside, i do think that it's time to halt commercial flights from regions where Ebola is endemic. i could see special flights for aid workers after they complete the 21 day incubation period.
    Considering that most flights are actually European transfers, we'd have to somehow lean on the Europeans to stop the flights. And that doesn't do anything to stop the transfer of disease from people already outside of West Africa. To actually prevent people who have the disease from flying to America, we'd either need to stop all international flights into the US or have some massive big brother program to know who every passenger encountered in the past month. What happens if someone who was sick ate at a European restaurant and infected the people there who then infected their relatives who are flying to the US? We cannot know this at the moment.

    Partisan hackjobs are pretending like there are dozens of commercial direct flights from West Africa to the US daily. It's not the case. Europe is the main hub for West Africa to the rest of the world. The Middle East is another. Are we going to cut flights from them too? The reason why we haven't enacted bans is because they aren't simple and they almost certainly won't work.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Considering that most flights are actually European transfers, we'd have to somehow lean on the Europeans to stop the flights. And that doesn't do anything to stop the transfer of disease from people already outside of West Africa. To actually prevent people who have the disease from flying to America, we'd either need to stop all international flights into the US or have some massive big brother program to know who every passenger encountered in the past month. What happens if someone who was sick ate at a European restaurant and infected the people there who then infected their relatives who are flying to the US? We cannot know this at the moment.

    Partisan hackjobs are pretending like there are dozens of commercial direct flights from West Africa to the US daily. It's not the case. Europe is the main hub for West Africa to the rest of the world. The Middle East is another. Are we going to cut flights from them too? The reason why we haven't enacted bans is because they aren't simple and they almost certainly won't work.
    but we now have people on flights who are obviously from that region. even if a travel restriction policy isn't one hundred percent effective, requiring a quarantine before getting on a plane and leaving the region is common sense. we pretty much already have enough digital information about where people are traveling from, regardless of connecting flights.

    basically, it's possible that it will boil down to doing it now or doing it later. we need to have special non commercial flights for the aid workers (with quarantine,) and restrictions for everyone else flying commercially.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No, is that how you took it? I propose we close our border from nations proven to be currently experiencing an ebola outbreak-save our military and medical personnel.
    How would we track someone who went through another country and went undetected for days before discovered?

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    but we now have people on flights who are obviously from that region.
    True, but we also have lots of people who have been in contact with people from that region flying in as well. What are we going to do, stop European nationals as well?

    even if a travel restriction policy isn't one hundred percent effective, requiring a quarantine before getting on a plane and leaving the region is common sense. we pretty much already have enough digital information about where people are traveling from, regardless of connecting flights.
    But what's the point in that if these very same people are hanging around for hours in densely packed airports, trains and cities? Yeah we can hold them....but the whole infection thing is still going on in the transit areas. Honestly, this just looks like political pandering. What's the difference in blocking someone who's 6 days infected from West Africa but letting in a Frenchmen who's 3 days infected? Just sayin'. If were honest with ourselves, we'd embargo all international flights.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    True, but we also have lots of people who have been in contact with people from that region flying in as well. What are we going to do, stop European nationals as well?



    But what's the point in that if these very same people are hanging around for hours in densely packed airports, trains and cities? Yeah we can hold them....but the whole infection thing is still going on in the transit areas. Honestly, this just looks like political pandering. What's the difference in blocking someone who's 6 days infected from West Africa but letting in a Frenchmen who's 3 days infected? Just sayin'. If were honest with ourselves, we'd embargo all international flights.
    i see no upside to letting non-quarantined travelers from West Africa into the US on commercial flights. we wouldn't hold them. they would be quarantined before getting on a plane in West Africa in the first place.

    for aid workers and patients to be treated in the US, special military flights under controlled conditions.

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